However, that might be due more to the fact that there isn't much to steal there!
(My parents used to live right next door in Acworth.) Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers It apparently has one of the lowest property crime rates in the area. But that's not the point. I'd love to see that court battle and the fall out that comes from the city losing it. -------------------------------------------------------------- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:35 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > > > Sounds like it must be a real quite neighborhood > > > From: Roger Seielstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:27:42 -0400 > > My guess is that it will be roughly equivalent to the law in > the city of Kennesaw, Georgia (suburban Atlanta) in which the > city requires all home owners to own a gun. To date, no one > has been prosecuted for breaking that law. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis Inc. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:57 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > > > > > > Seems like that disclaimer ("I do not give permission to > > forward") would be unnecessary. If the law requires > express > permission then the absence of any disclaimer > wouldn't > constitute permission and thus unless the message > > specifically said "I *DO* give permission to forward" it > > would be illegal to forward it. > > I'll be curious to > know how many people they actually get > prosecuted under > this law. > > Aloha, > > -Ben- > Ben M. Schorr, > MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 > Director of Information Services > > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > From: Steve Molkentin > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, June > 18, 2003 13:28 > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: > RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > > > > Scott, > and others, > > > > I totally get your point, and to some > degree agree. > > > > An interesting addition... > > > > > The Australian federal govt recently (last year) passed > > > legislation to say that it is illegal to forward and e-mail > > > without the authors express permission. > > > > Thus, a > whole NEW addition to the disclaimer in Australia is > > > popping up, saying that the author DOES NOT give permission > > > for the e-mail to be forwarded. > > > > I think, > whether we like it or not, the disclaimer is here to > > > stay... It is how we as Admins manage it. > > > > My > additional $0.02 (inc GST). > > > > themolk. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Akerlund, Scott > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2003 9:24 AM > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I am not a legal speagle by any means, but the > > > disclaimer issue > > > > it bad joke. The true responsibility of who the > message > > went to is in > > > the hands of the sender. > If the message was addressed > > correctly then > > > the > need for disclaimers would be a non-issue. > > > > > > > Sorry I watched this thread long enough that I had to put > > > my two cents > > > in there. I find it hard that anyone > should accept the burden of > > > responsibility for > receiving an electronic message that > was sent to > > > them by > > > > mistake. And > > > > those disclaimers that try to shift the burden of > > responiblity from > > > > the shoulders of the sender to the reciever are a sad > > > attempt at just > > > > that. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Steve Molkentin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:34 PM > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > > > > > > > > > > > > What about Klingon and Elvish? Google is available in > both, > > so people > > > must speak it. Should we not then > make disclaimers > > available in these > > > languages > too? > > > > > > themolk. > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > From: Martin Tuip [MVP] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Thursday, 19 > June 2003 12:13 AM > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: Re: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > > > > > > > > > > > > > About a billion people on this planet speak > Chinese ... going to > > > > included that as well ? I like > the fact you are going to > > > add Dutch to > > > > the > disclaimer, but around 99% of the Dutch population > speaks > and > > > > understands English very well. > > > > > > > > > ** Please prefix your subject header with BETA for posts > > > > dealing with > > > > Exchange 2003 ** > > > > > -------------------------- > > > > Martin Tuip > > > > MVP > Exchange > > > > Exchange 2000 List owner > > > > > www.exchange-mail.org > > > > www.sharepointserver.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Midgley, Ian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:10 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup, Greek and Double-Dutch are in the list of > languages > > > > that need to > > > > > be covered. Web > links are unacceptable since there is > no way of > > > > > > checking whether the recipient clicked the link, or they > > > > > might not be > > > > > online when they read the > message. > > > > > > > > > > We thought of using Latin > since most of the legal team > > know that. > > > > > Esperanto > > > > > is a bit too leading edge. > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Shotton > Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: 18 June 2003 13:54 > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal > disclaimers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Has* anyone > tested email disclaimers in the courts in the > > > > UK, EU > or > > > > > US? > > > > > > > > > > I'm not aware of any > cases. > > > > > > > > > > I do find it ironic that > lawyers, who knowingly write in > > > a way that > > > > > > most people do not find clear, should be concerned that the > > > > > disclaimer > > > > > should > > > > be > > > > > > written so as to be understood by any recipient. It's > > > > all Greek to > > > > > me. > > > > Or > > > > > > double-Dutch. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps your disclaimer > could consist of "Legal disclaimer > > > > - you must > > > > > > read this" in every relevant language, each linked to a > web > > > > page which > > > > > contains the text in that > language. > > > > > > > > > > Or write it in Esperanto. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > > From: Midgley, Ian > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: 18 June 2003 14:07 > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > Subject: RE: Brick level backups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not funny !! I'm currently involved in > discussions > > > with our > > > > > legal team regarding > the validity of English language > > > > disclaimers on > > > > > > messages written in various different European > languages > > > > (we route all > > > > > our Internet mail > through a single SMTP gateway in the UK). > > > > The legal > > > > > > team are pushing > > > > to > > > > > add > disclaimers in each language. > > > > > > > > > > Just > because no-one ever reads disclaimers doesn't mean > > > > > that they are > > > > > not legally applicable - when was > the last time you > read the MS > > > > > license agreement > when installing software? 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