Aye Carumba! Don, I'd hate to have you or any one of about two dozen other people on this list mad at me. I think I'd just go unplug my whole network from the Internet, if I was ever stupid enough to let that happen! :0)
-----Original Message----- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. And we don't even want to get into my observation of the whole thing... FWIW Mitchell, one ought not act like an a$$ if one expects to be left alone. And I mean that in oh so many ways that you couldn't even begin to fathom... FWIW Ben, looks like you've got it covered, but lemme know if you need "anything" ;) -----Original Message----- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:07 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Observation: Messages in my Exch-Swynk folder since 2003-01-15: 8278 Posts from Ben Winzenz, mostly answering questions: 68 Posts from Mitchell Lawrence, just attacking Ben: 4 'nuff said. -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:01 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. You are right Tony, What I should have said is: Boy what a prick, *ploink* goes the asshole. Thank you, Mitchell D. Lawrence **<Good|Cheap|Fast> (Pick Two)** -----Original Message----- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Boy, I am going to have to say a Rosary for both you guys. From: "Lawrence, Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:56:42 -0500 What an asshole Thank you, Mitchell D. Lawrence Network Administrator/Systems Analyst **<Good|Cheap|Fast> (Pick Two)** -----Original Message----- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Bite me. If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases just because "I" think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning why I thought it was corrupt, would you? I certainly won't. John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out answer. You, however, seem to have no clue. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner & White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. He did seem a bit defensive didn't he? Thank you, Mitchell D. Lawrence Network Administrator/Systems Analyst **<Good|Cheap|Fast> (Pick Two)** -----Original Message----- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the server starts working again when you take the product off, you should look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have developed. In this case, your message databases. -1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the database. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. I don't have a corrupted database. Why would you or what leads you to make that assumption? I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of any kind that point to any database errors. The problem has not re-occurred since removing the AV software. Like I said before, I did not have the file-level AV scanning the databases. If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back it up with the reasons why. Not just saying you think I have database corruption. Tell me why you think I have corruption. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner & White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -----Original Message----- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Ben: Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought about running maintenance on the server? John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server a couple of times. I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since. And yes, I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based scanners. Now, we are only running 2. SAV for SMTP Gateways, and Desktop. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner & White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -----Original Message----- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection. I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS stores too. 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