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Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:47 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Password Mainenance
Subject: RE: Password Mainenance


While you're at it, you might as well collect everyone's ATM PIN for
safekeeping. 

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Parker
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Password Mainenance

Your points are valid Ben.
I started here 6 years ago and it was my 1st admin job. 
Having a list of all passwords semmed like the right thing to do at the
time.
And yes, management is aware of the list.
I think I am going to take your advice on the GP password management.
Just gotta hand it off.

I know where in GP the password policy is, but right now, in the user
acounts, "Password never expires" is checked.
In order fro GP to do it's job, I will need to uncheck that. Correct?

John Parker, MCSE
IS Admin.
Senior Technical Specialist
Digital Display Systems.

Alpha Video
7711 Computer Ave.
Edina, MN. 55435
 
952-896-9898 Local
800-388-0008 Watts
952-896-9899 Fax
612-804-8769 Cell
952-841-3327 Direct

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Be excellent to each other"
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:33 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Password Mainenance


Why is it necessary that you keep a list of all the passwords?  It is
one thing to have a list of service account passwords, and such, but all
users is quite another thing.  It is a HUGE security risk.  Imagine what
would happen if someone got ahold of the document that had everyones
passwords.
If you are using Exchange (valid assumption I think since this is an
Exchange list), then you are using either NT or Windows 2000.
Why can't you have your users manage their own passwords?  Every client
that logs in to the domain should have the ability to change their
password - even 9x clients can change their passwords.  This is not
something that you should be doing or should have to do - now of course
that is only my opinion and you are free to do as you like, but I would
rather choke myself than have to maintain all my users passwords for
them.  Does HR know that you maintain a list of everyone's password?
Does your corporate lawyer know?  If not, you better make sure they do.

I realize I am probably not being helpful to what you are wanting to do,
but I (and probably most of the others on this list) have never run
across a sysadmin who insisted on maintaining a list of all his/her
users passwords.
So if you like, simply dismiss this as a rant from me
- it won't hurt my feelings if you do.  I certainly wouldn't wish for
your job if I was required to do what you are doing.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-----Original Message-----
From: John Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday,
October 23, 2003 8:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Password Mainenance
Subject: RE: Password Mainenance


No.

We have always manually created the passwords in the past and kept a
list.
Doesn't make me a hacker of any sort.
The company is getting so big, Just looking for a way of automating it
yet maintaining a password structure.
I am one person managing two departments and too many servers and
sorkstations :)

John Parker, MCSE
IS Admin.
Senior Technical Specialist
Digital Display Systems.

Alpha Video
7711 Computer Ave.
Edina, MN. 55435
 
952-896-9898 Local
800-388-0008 Watts
952-896-9899 Fax
612-804-8769 Cell
952-841-3327 Direct

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Be excellent to each other"
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:40 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Password Mainenance


What, you mean report what all the new passwords are to you?  Are you
out of your mind?  I sure hope you are kidding.  If you seriously want
to get a list of ALL passwords, why don't you go out and buy LophtCrack
- after all, what you are wanting is something to make you a hacker of
the company you work for.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-----Original Message-----
From: John Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday,
October 23, 2003 7:47 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Disappearing email
Subject: Password Mainenance


Hey all, I am nearing a time when once again, I need to do a password
change for my company.

Is there any password automation out there, that will allow me to setup
a password structure, changes the passwords and give me a report of the
new ones?

There has to be something out there like that...

Thanks

John Parker, MCSE
IS Admin.
Senior Technical Specialist
Digital Display Systems.
Alpha Video

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