That's what we are talking about :) If you leave your PC with Outlook running, you can't always assume that after 30 minutes Outlook will release the lock on the PST file.
Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -----Original Message----- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem If it moves it to a PST, then it is a client side rule and OL has to be running. -----Original Message----- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Well, I guess the article is correct, but what if Outlook is running and has a rule that moves messages to a PST, and new messages come in more frequently than once per 30 minutes? Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -----Original Message----- From: Adams, Kevin C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Summary from an MS kb article: (222328 ) Outlook locks personal folder files (.pst) while they are in use; it is not possible to copy the .pst file while it is locked. Outlook releases the lock on a .pst file after 30 minutes of inactivity, by default. This article describes how to control the timeout value after which Outlook releases the file lock on a .pst file. > -----Original Message----- > From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:03 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem > > > Not sure on the period of inactivity on the part of the user, > but, yea, something like that. Or I could be completely > wrong. Its just something that I kinda recall from the back > of my mind. Theres not much back there. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:56 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem > > > Andy, > > Are you saying that after a 30 minute period of inactivity on > the part of the user, that the .pst file file handle will > close itself, allowing the file to be backed up correctly? > > Or are you saying that after 30 minutes of attempting to back > them up, the open file handle closes, thereby allowing > Veritas to back it up correctly? > > -----Original Message----- > From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:40 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem > > > Yep. I have seen that as well. But, like I said, IIRC, at > some point the file closes, and it will back them up > correctly. (Un)fortunately, I cant test that myself anymore. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:35 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem > > > From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees > an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file. It completes > the backup job; but marks it as having failed. > > > ================================= > Arron King > Network & Systems Administrator > Ohio Dominican University > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > V: 614-251-4515 > F: 614-252-2650 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem > > > While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal > folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes > on psts and you can back them up! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem > > > FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a > very small exception list - pres & VPs of my org.) I do > backup the stores on my server. > > I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other > stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use > deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from > "oops I deleted a really important message"). > > All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is > really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other > stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for > those who can demonstrate the need. > > PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at > least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: > * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their > computer on w/outlook open, > * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame > me when they > forget!) > * PSTs get corrupted > > I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that > I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out > problems I used to have with PSTs! > > HTH > > Arron > > > ================================= > Arron King > Network & Systems Administrator > Ohio Dominican University > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > V: 614-251-4515 > F: 614-252-2650 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem > > > Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! > > Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 > users. "Keep all emails in store.." A good idea, but what > happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a > single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any > mailbox size limits)..Back up times increase > radically->restore times increase radically!! > > Hopefully you see my problem now..? > > > -Arttu- > > -----Alkuperdinen viesti----- > Ldhettdjd: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Ldhetetty: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 PM > Vastaanottaja: Exchange Discussions > Aihe: RE: PST-file backup problem > > > You didn't mention what your overall system is like, but I'll > assume you're using Exchange. > > If you're concerned about storage space and the data > contained in the PST files is important enough to be backed > up, you should keep that data managed by Exchange in a Store. > Backup is easier, and you will save disk space with the > Exchange SIS. (You won't initially magically get SIS by > importing [reimporting?] the PST files into Exchange, but as > the data grows you will see a difference in your SIS). > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:46 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: PST-file backup problem > > > > > > Hello ! > > > > My question deals with PST-files. When backing up PST-files > you always > > have to back up every PST-file. This is because Outlook changes the > > file every time it's opened etc. So you cannot take just > incremental > > from changed files. Usually you end up backing up all > PST-files.. Ok.. > > so what you say! > > > > The problem is that if you have to pay for every Gig you > take, you end > > up paying a lot of money! > > > > Is there any third party tool or way to get rid of this problem? > > > > Having the same problem? Or is it just me ;) > > > > Rgs, > > > > -Arttu- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Web Interface: > > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t > ext_mode=&lang=english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t > ext_mode=&lang > =english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t > ext_mode=&lang > =english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t > ext_mode=&lang > =english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t > ext_mode=&lang > =english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t ext_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
