What I don't understand is why everyone thinks that placing their FE
server in a DMZ is a more secure/better way/whatever have you.  IMHO, it
is not.  I don't understand what you think you are going to be gaining
by placing it there other than increased headache for the setup and
troubleshooting.  Some may offer the argument that if your FE server
gets hacked, it is somewhat isolated.  Let's be honest.  With the ports
that are required to be open between the FE and BE, if someone hacks
your FE server, they can own your internal network whether the FE is in
a DMZ or not.  I'm just not convinced that there is a need to place FE
servers in the DMZ.  That, plus I seem to remember that it is now
Microsoft's suggestion to NOT place the FE server in the DMZ.  I'll see
if I can find the reference to that. 

Davinder, you are, of course, welcome to deploy this how you see fit.
It is, after all, your network, not mine.  Ultimately, if you feel it is
a better setup to place your FE server in your DMZ, then do that.  I'm
just trying to offer feedback.  As far as 5.5, that is a different
scenario altogether.  5.5 would allow you to install OWA separate from
the Exchange mailbox server.

Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-----Original Message-----
From: Davinder Gupta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:45 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: OWA and SMTP
Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP


Thanks everybody for replying. The plan is exactly to open 443 from
outside and required ports for GC/LDAP and required ports for BE server.
The DMZ is separate physical network (VLAN) and Firewall is going to
allow these specific kind of traffic only to required specific servers
on inside network. 

You guys seem very concerned with that which I respectfully don't
understand. Also this is exactly what we did in exchange 5.5, right??

Or another idea might be to create an IPSec tunnel between FE server and
DCs and limit the number of ports that way, ideas?


Thanks
Davinder



 -----Original Message-----
From:   Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:20 AM
To:     Exchange Discussions
Subject:        RE: OWA and SMTP

I totally agree.  It is much easier to do extensive logging (and packet
filtering, for that matter) with a good layered firewall, as opposed to
locking down IIS (and Windows) to accept connections in an unsecured
zone.  

Eric Fretz

L-3 Communications
ComCept Division
2800 Discovery Blvd.
Rockwall, TX 75032
tel:   972.772.7501
fax:  972.772.7510



-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:20 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP


Why go through the hassle?  It is much easier (and just as secure) to
simply
put the FE server inside your network, open up port 443 and 25 to the FE
server (I would not open port 80 for OWA), and that is all you should
have
to do.  If you want to be even more secure, use something like ISA
server to
"publish" the FE OWA server.  There are some servers that belong on a
DMZ.
A FE OWA server is not one of them.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-----Original Message-----
From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:36 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: OWA and SMTP
Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP


Have FE and BE on separate VLANs and set up access lists on the routers
allowing just the back-end VLAN to only accept traffic from the
front-end
VLAN if it is coming from the FE server, and only the specified ports.

How does that sound?


-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP

What Martin is saying is that those are not the only ports you have to
open.
There are MANY more that are required to be opened to allow for
communication between the FE server and the BE server, and communication
betweent the FE server and the DC/GC servers.  While the article seems
to
point out the correct ports, the post was misleading in saying that only
80/443 and a "few others".  Those "few" other ports (esp. 135, and the
LDAP
ports) are something I would not especially want opened on my firewall. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:09 AM Posted To: Exchange
(Swynk)
Conversation: OWA and SMTP
Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP


He just asked for the ports and I pointed him to the kb on open ports. I
agree that putting a Front End in a DMZ is no walk in the park and did
not
intend to make it sound that easy.

Eric Fretz

L-3 Communications
ComCept Division
2800 Discovery Blvd.
Rockwall, TX 75032
tel:   972.772.7501
fax:  972.772.7510



-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:10 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP


Its much more extensive than that when putting the FE in the DMZ 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 5:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA and SMTP

80(HTTP), 443(SSL) and a few others.

Check out kb# 280132

Eric Fretz

L-3 Communications
ComCept Division
2800 Discovery Blvd.
Rockwall, TX 75032
tel:   972.772.7501
fax:  972.772.7510



-----Original Message-----
From: Davinder Gupta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 7:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: OWA and SMTP


I am setting up a Windows 2000 member server in DMZ, which will be our
SMTP
and OWA front end server. Which ports do I need to open to make this
work.
Is there a KB article that you guy could point me to?

Thanks
Davinder




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