It is really 'sad' when people have the OS mentality.  

An OS is just an OS. If its for infrastructure, etc. it really does not
matter.  If you know them well and you are very good at supporting them
and do not have that 'attitude' you will go very far.  

I know this is what you said in your reply.  I find it interesting that
a more 'OS agnostic' mindset is not held by all technology users.  

IMO you cannot change anyone but people who limit themselves I don't
want to work with or try to manage.


Thanks,

Erik L. Vesneski 
Intel Lead - WCDC/ISO 
www.pmigroup.com 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:39 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail


We have a few of those around campus - mostly Mac heads though.  22
years old is all you had to say... We have a 22 year old Mac Tech who is
also very bright and really knows his stuff but has the anti-MS attitude
from hell as well. We have tried to get him to see that he has a great
opportunity here. Were 95% MS, the Macs are used by a few Faculty and
the Math department. He could become one of those rare people who really
know how to deal with Mac in a Windows environment but he just wont let
himself learn anything about Windows... A lost cause.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:21 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail

>Oh, let me tell you, he hates Bill, Microcrap comes out of his mouth
far
too often.  He's only 22 years old and a genius kid, good natured, knows
his stuff.  He is also an MCSE only because he was forced into it.  The
fact that someone develops a product to sell and then gets rich really
pisses the Linux crowd off (some of them).


That's obviously absurd - Sendmail probably does process more mail than
> Exchange on similar hardware but that's pretty much all sendmail does.

> It doesn't provide the additional features that Exchange has out of
the
> box particularly if you are an Active Directory shop. Besides, what 
> difference does it make as long as whatever platform you choose
handles
> the volume of mail you need it to? The apparent advantage of sendmail
is
> price - if you run it on Linux. If you put it in front of Exchange,
that
> goes out the window anyway... Also, the administration involved
compared
> to Exchange is very high even if you do have Unix\Linux admins on
staff
> - that gets worse the more features you add like a web interface 
> calendaring, whatever Public Folders equivalent there might be, etc.
If
> you are an AD shop, it's really a no-brainer - have you ever tried to 
> create an AD account with a sendmail mailbox with the same logon and 
> permissions at the same time? Does this guy just hate Bill Gates like 
> most of the folks I've met who make statements like that or does he 
> just think he needs to know
nothing
> about Exchange yet still draw comparisons?
> 
> Jeff Hague
> MCSE
> Network Manager
> Randolph-Macon College
> Ashland, VA
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
> 
> Good Morning All,
> 
> I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to 
> Exchanging being 3rd rate.  Given all of the variables including
memory,
> processors, etc.  How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an 
> hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting SendMail in front

> of Exchange?
> 
> His last statement was that SendMail can process more mail in one
minute
> than Exchagne can process in a day.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sean
> 
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