Ya sure Kevin!
I bet your in cahoots with William;-)
HAHAHAHA
jlc

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:24 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Circular Logging

That's a bargain.. 

--
Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, CKWSE CKST


-----Original Message-----
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:19 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Circular Logging


I charge $150/hour.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:19 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Circular Logging


Well, the problem I foresee currently is that when I moved the files
prior to this incident the space got used up very quickly. So I have no
space to move those logs files back onto the drive when we implement the
Exchange Agent for them. Now I can move some more logfiles but then
there will be more log files moved and probably no space to accommodate
them later. These logs files date back from 6/10/01. Can I compress say
6/10/01 to 10/30/01 to gain some space? If so, can I move the previously
moved files back to the Exchange partition when I get the agent and not
have problems when that backup is finally run?

-----Original Message-----
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:02 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Circular Logging


Throw another hard drive in?  Sorry.

Log file compression is not recommended except in emergencies.  But do
note, that these log files compress very well.  It only takes a few to
give you some breathing room.

William 


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:01 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Circular Logging


Okay, this sounds like a great idea, but unfortunately there isn't one
W2K machine in that office. So what other choices do I have. Circular
logging is currently disabled and there is about 2MB free on the
partition containing Exchange dB's and logs. the other partitions do not
have enough space to move the dB's or the logs too. So I am stuck. I can
probably compress the logs but I still need to get it backup somehow to
get the logs moved off of the server. Any more ideas?

-----Original Message-----
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:47 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Circular Logging


If this is Windows2000, use NTBackup to disk if you have to until proper
deployment of Exchange aware backup software is done.

Do not implement circular logging.  IF you are able to do an online
backup tonight AND the log drive is full causing services to stop, then
pick a couple of logs and compress them with NTFS compression.  This is
NOT for regular use.  Only for emergency to free up space.  Do the
online backup.

Then look for someone to take the fall to set an example to the others.

William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:34 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Circular Logging
Importance: High


Hello All,

I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in.
They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They
originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup
Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it
wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs
were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had
ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps
so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained
the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so
there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I
recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. 

AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me.
I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange
and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was
still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and
the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come
across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed
and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log
files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe
Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to
the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but
we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down
because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move
the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on
another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the
logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a
wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be
greatly appreciated! TIA!!!

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