Agreed that many MCSEs are paper, and worthless, but cert is still valuable, especially those in other areas. If you can prove your worth AND have the title, I think it is worthwhile.
BTW I have an acquaintance who is a lawyer who "decided" to get his MCSE. He got it in 6 months, and then tried to get a job. He is still looking 1.5 years later. I started looking at the same time (I was an MCP at the time I believe) and was hired within a month. Experience should always be top priority. I would not hire him to install an OS on a WS, much less plug in all the color coded wires (because, you know, now they color code all the keyboard and...oh nevermind.
PS He is a suck a$$ lawyer too
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From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:14 PM
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For about 6 months I had the pleasure of working with a MCSE that didn't know how to install a printer on a windows box! He would format hard drives, and then asked me where all the users files went, and how did he get them back?!!!! That was when I decided that MCSEs are only good for fooling clueless CIOs like my boss.
There is one good use for them, and that is comic relief when doing interviews.
I would ask them What DHCP was. they would respond with "Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol", and claim they were experts, and knew everything about it. I would then ask them very detailed questions, like how do you configure it to hand out a WINS server address, and what is the scope in DHCP? It was great fun watching them squirm. Try it sometime.
PS The guy who got the job was the guy who said I don't know to the most questions, didn't have any certs, and he is working out great.
John
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From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM
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I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground.
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From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM
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someone leave their sense of humor at home today?
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From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM
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You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some
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From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM
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It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh
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From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM
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We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years...
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From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM
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what cram site did you guys use ;) ?
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From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09
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I got him certified in UCC+WCA.
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From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM
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Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look)
TIA
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