{{group hug}}
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mal Sasalu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: Compacting
I respect your opinion.
-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:28 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Compacting
Zen master?
I listen to others and in no way claim to be a master in Exchange. I pay
particular attention to what certain people have to say based on what
they've done, not read about. William and Missy are two people that I will
always respect the opinion of. It doesn't mean that I think they are always
right, but most of the time they probably are. It all depends on what the
person is talking about and how I can relate that to my environment.
I do like the "read more, type less" statement. What OS and SP is that?
-----Original Message-----
From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 3:22 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Compacting
Zen master (not me) says " talk less, listen more" and me says "Read more,
type
less".
Mal
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:24 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Compacting
I thought I recognized that name. Oh well. It is Monday. I can only half pay
attention Zen master.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mal Sasalu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 2:12 PM
Subject: RE: Compacting
Pay attention in class, else you will learn only half.
-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:09 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Compacting
That freak was the one holding you down while I beat you until you
understood. He's trolling for fresh fish out of boredom perhaps.
Pay attention in class.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 3:13 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Compacting
Yes I know.
It is a learning process!!!
I have never stated that I know everything, unlike this FREAK just did.
Thanks again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Schwartz, Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:59 PM
Subject: RE: Compacting
Yeah, it took me 5 or 6 e-mail to beat that into YOUR head.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 2:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Compacting
O crap. Are you nutz?
You are trying to defend running ESEUTIL AND BLBs??
Do you have a death wish? That has never been done successfully. Not
individually, nor collectively.
All hard core Exchange Admins who have been doing this for years have both
of those items on the black list. We have gone round and round here for
months on both issues.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:50 PM
Subject: RE: Compacting
thats why I do BLB.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Balen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 2:40 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Compacting
Again, defragmentation happens daily when ese runs. I am assuming this
person
means don't compact the store. Running eseutil can be a dangerous thing.
Running
either of the utilities that will change the structure of the store, can be
a
dangerous thing and should only be done in extreme measures (like if the IS
wont
start and you don't have a decent-recent backup of the store, or if you have
a
huge priv.edb file are running out of diskspace and know that compacting
would
free up a lot of space an have cheap managers who wont spend money on either
more disk space or another server to offload folks to). As you will see,
many
folks in here are weary (with good reason) about running eseutil against the
store. About the only util people tend to run is isinteg just to check the
integrity of the store. Even if it needs to be fixed, most folks will just
build
another server and move mailboxes off of the server with a store that may
have a
lot of errors or is too big for its own good. Bottom line again, is to only
use
eseutil as a last ditch effort or isinteg -fix if the store is not
accessible.
FWIW - these are the reasons you keep impeccable backups of your stores and
transaction logs - just like Wilford Brimley says check your blood sugar and
check it often, exchange admins say check your backups and check them daily.
Once you have a good base of backups, a couple weeks to a month, you will
want
to test and document your disaster recovery methods 1) to make sure it works
and
b) to get it down packed so you can do it in a minimal amount of time. Also,
I
recommend never letting your stores (mostly the priv.edb) get out of hand
(getting too big) because it becomes harder to manage it (longer to back it
up,
longer to restore it, etc.) If it does get too big, either implement strict
or
more strict mailbox storage policies or simply build another exchange server
and
move users off of it - if it is e2k, of course, storage groups are a god
send
for thing like this.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INTERNET
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 2:10 PM
To: Balen, Steve B - Raleigh, NC;
[EMAIL PROTECTED] at INTERNET
Subject: RE: Compacting
Never?
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 2:07 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Compacting
DON'T DEFRAG!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Beckett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:33 PM
Subject: RE: Compacting
2000, 5.5, all versions?
-----Original Message-----
From: William Lefkovics [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:33 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Compacting
Has it been a month already?
Since it is a bright relational database, it runs an online
maintenance
process nightly by default that defrags the contents of the
databases.
It takes care of itself.
William
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 10:19 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Compacting
Friends and astute members of the exchange list. Please forgive such
basic questions but I am new to exchange. (came from lotus notes)
Since
exchange is essentially a database, I would assume this database
gets
fragmented. Is there a tool that can be used to "unfragment"?
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