What's a service pack?
Steve Clark
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:47 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
HA! I install them first thing Monday morning before the users get in! :P
-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:53 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
I install all my service packs on Friday at 5:30 so I can go home and sleep
like a baby over the weekend...
-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
Testing? We don't need no steeenking testing!!! :P
-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:41 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
You're a brave man. I trust none of the anti-virus vendors enough for them
to automatically install code on any machine with at least the most basic of
testing.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:17 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
I was doing the same thing originally. However, I got tired of downloading
the thing and checking to see if it was avail then putting on all the
networks I manage. Easier to script it and move on.
In the 6 months or so that it's been in place, I've yet to have a problem
with the DAT files (knock on something that looks like wood).
Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:09 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
Agreed, but it is easy enough to go out and download the superdat myself,
test in on my own machine then make it available to the rest of the network
users who get updated via the login script. Always nice to have another
script availavle in the ol' toolbox though. Thanks.
Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:02 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
The only thing you get with the internal tool is the DAT file. This will
download the SuperDAT and copy it to setup.exe. Once complete, you can
update every PC logging into the server without going to the net for each
and every one.
Saves bandwith and provides 1 central spot for managing what version the
systems will run.
From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:56 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
Why would you need to write a script when this option is available in any of
the McAfee products, VirusScan, Netshield, Groupshield and WebShield?
Larry Kent
Network Administrator
SBCCOM-Natick
Natick, MA 01760
DSN 256-4981 Comm: (508) 233-4981 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-----Original Message-----
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:31 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
You do not need the support to download the updated DAT/ SuperDAT's. As a
matter of policy, I create a script on each server that downloads the files
from an anonymous FTP server at NAI. Check out the script if you're
interested - it's on my scripts and tips page.
Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:26 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
As I understand the McAfee license situation:
They sell a two-year license that is a two-year license. After that, you
either renew or uninstall.
A second choice is a perpetual license. A little more up front, but the
license is perpetual. I found three resellers that either were clueless
about the perpetual license or they just refused to tell me about it. I
finally had McAfee set me up with a new reseller. The new company sold me
the perpetual for 20% less than our previous vendor had sold us a two-year.
In either case, support is about $700/year. I believe that you need support
to get current DAT files, but I'm not sure.
I've been happy with McAfee on the desktop, but I'd never trust Exchange to
it.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:07 AM
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Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
You may be right William.
All I know is I asked my sales rep if I would have to pay again after three
years, or did we own the software? He told me I wouldn't be able to upgrade
to a new version after the software upgrade options ran out, but yes we
would be licensed for whatever the most current version was at the end of
the three years, and could continue using that version indefinitely.
So they lied either when they sold it to me, or lied to me when they tried
to resell it to me. Either way it is a bad way to do business, and therefore
I suggest everyone to steer clear of them.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:18 AM
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Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
If they were the last antivirus software company on earth, you wouldn't
even be allowed in line.
This is standard. You do not own the software. It is not only in the
contract, it is in the EULA. This is the same with the other antivirus
vendors. You buy a usage term if you will. Yes, you should remove
McAfee off all yor computers if you do not enter into a renewed term.
Otherwise it is called stealing. A basic concept seemingly foreign to
software users.
You don't own Antigen either. You enter into a usage contract for 2
years at a time.
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From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly
that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I
think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users.
In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the
software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not
bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was
the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where
the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors.
The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did
not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss
caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8
servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold
off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers.
Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and
it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over?
When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them
to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report
us a pirates.
I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus
company in the world.
John Majetic
-----Original Message-----
From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM
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Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
I think the key phrase is "last time we paid". We have about the same
number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our
licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours.
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From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all
subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client,
Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about
$7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW.
I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by
comparison.
John Majetic
-----Original Message-----
From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
]
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of
pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes.
I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go
upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield.
dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM
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Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it.
I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface
to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one
at a time did not please me.
Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
Antigen.
No comments from AB on this.
Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
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From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
]
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is
programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to
one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is
better trend or antigen?
dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.
Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move?
Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
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-----Original Message-----
From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: McAfee The final Results.
Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on
all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here.
Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having
VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were
all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple
infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent
of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through
GroupShield, and VirusScan!
I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even
have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that
one.
I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those
using or thinking of using VirusScan.
John Majetic
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