Now THAT sounds like Verizon! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Blackberry question (Moto Q)
I've had the 760 since the day it was release to business and had the 730 and 700 before that. You can buy a 3rd party cable that will charge over USB. Think that was a tactic by Verizon to make you buy a cradle. Either way I just charge it in at home in the evenings. It never gets docked unless I need to install something and then it's via BT. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 10:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Blackberry question (Moto Q) I've had my Motorola Q for 1.5 years now, and have upgraded the software (downloadable from Motorola's site) 4x now. It has been fine for e-mail this entire time, hooks into my Exchange 2003 SP2 server, updates tasks, contacts, etc. I reply to e-mails and text on it mostly. It has its quirks, but I have always been able to charge it over USB on my laptop (and am doing so right now). I've even dropped this phone many times, and had my 1 year old daughter chew on it and it keeps ticking. (The first Q I had locked up every time I started accessing the internet. I exchanged it with Verizon in the first week.) I considered the Samsung SCH-i760 as a replacement, but one of my co-workers recently got it and loves it EXCEPT it won't charge on his laptop over USB. So I am considering the Moto Q 9m to replace my Q when it dies. -Ed -----Original Message----- From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I appreciate the suggestion, but the Treo 700wx is twice the cost of the Q. Also, not to belittle your statements, but I'd like to hear from others on the list concerning the Q specifically. Is it that bad of a device? -----Original Message----- From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 5:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Well, first of all the guy is a tool. Second of all, the problem is not WM vs. BB, it's the Q. The Q sucks. Everyone knows the Q sucks. Get him on a Treo 700wx and your problem will go away. 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You get that automatically and securely from the BES. ________________________________ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Ya, I know, we've had discussions about it before. But since you've now admitted it again, here's the thing: Is it worth the expenditure, both in time, and money (server, if needed, software CALs, and, not least, new phones) to please one or two people by implementing a BB solution? Or should I just come out and tell the Executive Director that he is a tool, and simply can't figure out how to charge his phone? (It's charging just nicely now, on my coworker's desk...) From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Blackberry question I run both... EAS and BES.... On Dec 26, 2007 2:25 PM, Joe Heaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: Dang, you guys are taking my argument points away... From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Blackberry question Yes and more manageable to boot... On Dec 26, 2007 2:18 PM, Joe Heaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: Well, we only have about 15 WM users, and only 2 users that are asking about BB atm. My understanding is that the two services are similar. Is BB really that much more bulletproof/stable, etc? From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:18 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I have no idea how many WM users you have now, but once you open the BB floodgate, you might get overrun. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question But then if you go to the actual Express page, you see this part: What's Included? * One free BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express - Small Business Edition v4.1 for Microsoft(r) Exchange, IBM(r) Lotus(r) Domino(r) or Novell(r) GroupWise(r) * One user included, expandable to 15 users (at additional cost) <<<<<<<<<<< From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:05 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Blackberry question Express only covers a single user... On Dec 26, 2007 1:59 PM, Joe Heaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: We currently use Windows Mobile devices, connecting directly to our Exchange server. Unfortunately, the Moto Q phones we purchased for our new Executive Director, and Assistant Director, have had charging issues, as in they wouldn't take a charge when plugged in. It is possible, also, that the Director has no clue how to charge his phone, but I hope that scenario is unlikely. Anyway, I guess at his previous employment, they used Blackberry devices, and he's starting to question why we don't use Blackberry here. I explained to him that in an enterprise situation, we would need to have a separate server for Blackberry, and we would also need to purchase the server software. Also, no one in IT has had experience managing this type of solution, so there would be a learning curve for us. He also asked the same type of questions of another IT guy, so I think he's going to be going to our manager and pushing to implement a Blackberry solution. Which finally brings me to my question here. I've looked at the Blackberry website, and I see two versions of the BES software. The Express, and the regular. What's the difference between the two? If I only have a handful of users, would it be better to get the Express version, which has no cost? Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: 12/25/2007 8:04 PM ~ Sunbelt Messaging Ninja with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> ~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: 12/25/2007 8:04 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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