Gee, it's even "for organizations of all sizes" ( "suitable for
organizations with up to 5000 users....")

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:36 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: [JUNK] RE: [JUNK] Re: [JUNK] Re: [JUNK] Re: [JUNK] problem with
messagelabs

Hmm, if they don't block based on IP, what DO they do - use domain?
Perhaps they really don't have a clue.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Peck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:28 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: [JUNK] Re: [JUNK] Re: [JUNK] Re: [JUNK] problem with
messagelabs

We had a similar issue with Message labs once.  A discussion involving
our IP Addresses as shown in DNS and the source IP Addresses did
result in us being unblocked.  We are a moderately large company and
though polite, I was obviously irritated.  Not sure if that helped or
hindered.

Steven

On Jan 17, 2008 8:46 AM, Don Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [opinion on]
> Well, if the headers prove that the messages are not coming via your
> mail server, you should be quite justified in requesting that
> messagelabs unblock you and perhaps whitelist you as being part of the
> same company.
>
> My perception of messagelabs is not getting any better.
> [opinion off]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: M Bruyere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:42 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>
> Subject: [JUNK] Re: [JUNK] Re: [JUNK] problem with messagelabs
>
> Hi,
>     Ninja uses RBLs and is also discarding spams. As for the
> Messagelabs guys, I hardly see why thay are still doing business with
> them... They are not willing to help a lot. They were supposed to
> investigate and create a report of their findings and the result was
> the 3 spam sample I posted... what an investigation and report.
> That's why I turned myself to this list to try to get outside thoughts
> about the situations.
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2008 11:26 AM, Don Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Don't know anything about Ninja - does it or can it be configured to
> > reject rather than discard spam?
> >
> > Perhaps you need to have your HQ guys get Message Labs to work with
> > (rather than against) you to help determine what's happening.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: M Bruyere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:18 AM
> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> >
> > Subject: [JUNK] Re: [JUNK] problem with messagelabs
> >
> > Hi,
> >    At my site I use Ninja to spam filter. It can't be a station that
> > is infected because the public IP is dedicated to the mail server
> > using a static NAT. The workstations are actually using another IP
to
> > hit the internet.
> >
> > As for the headers, the only data I had from MessageLabs was the 3
> > samples I pasted in the original post. I searched the message-id and
> > some keywords on my exchange servers but can't find anything so they
> > are not sent through our server.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 17, 2008 11:09 AM, Don Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > > Do you reject spam?  Or is it possible that one or more machines
at
> > your
> > > site are infected?  Do the headers indicate that the spam is
> > definitely
> > > being sent from your server to HQ?
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: M Bruyere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:40 AM
> > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> > > Subject: [JUNK] problem with messagelabs
> > >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >           I  have a problem sending messages to a site (our HQ)
that
> > > is protected by Messagelabs. In fact the problem is that they are
> > > throttling our connections because they say that we re sending
spam.
> > > They provided the following samples to prove their point. After
> > > looking at all the configs and all, I can't see how we could be
> > > sending those. I suspect that the informations are spoofed "a la
joe
> > > job" and that's what affect us. Anyone can give me any inputs on
how
> > > to deal with this because I can't find anything wrong on our
system
> > > and they keep throttling over and over limiting the contacts from
> our
> > > site ti the HQ, which is at the very least annoying.
> > >
> > > If you have any ideas that could help me to stop this from
> happening,
> > > it would be very appreciated.
> > >
> > > Please note that the domain name has been changed. You can contact
> me
> > > off list if you need/want more specific details.
> > >
> > > //Spam sample 1
> > >
> > > Received: from desktop3 ([190.40.182.39]) by mail.MY_DOMAIN.com
with
> > > Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0);
> > >   Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:42:52 -0500
> > > Received: from 60.52.18.165 (HELO localhost.localdomain)
> > (63.51.17.146)
> > >   by 64.53.15.110 with SMTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:42:35 +0500
> > > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:42:35 +0500
> > > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 3.01 (F2.72; A1.62; B3.01; Q3.01)
> > > X-Header-CompanyDBUserName: hpccm
> > > X-Header-MasterId: 072480
> > > X-Header-Versions: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > X-FID: 51E85DBC-2586-39AF-B9E4-67CDEA83DCB2
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > >  charset="us-ascii"
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > From: "Marvin Casey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: Your Mortgage Refiinance
> > > Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2008 00:42:52.0344 (UTC)
> > > FILETIME=[66978B80:01C8518F]
> > >
> > > Morttggage - lower your rrate!
> > >
> > > http://0rz.tw/563qc
> > >
> > >
> > > //Spam sample 2
> > >
> > > Received: from sufi-isis.org ([85.104.221.208]) by
> mail.MY_DOMAIN.com
> > > with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0);
> > >   Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:34:53 -0500
> > > Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Received: from 206.191.20.150 (HELO magmail.travelgolf.com)
> > >      by MY_DOMAIN.com with esmtp (VZSFHPFSL NTVJQ)
> > >      id NzHz8i-bE58PW-p5
> > >      for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:34:55
> +0200
> > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > From: "Rosalind J. Cody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Concetta V. Baez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Get the biggest s'e)x organ in the neighborhood!
> > > Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:34:55 +0200
> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> > >         boundary="----=_NextPart_5463_15C1_01C85079.AFCF6A50"
> > > X-Priority: 3
> > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527
> > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527
> > > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2008 13:34:55.0133 (UTC)
> > > FILETIME=[EC4CB4D0:01C85068]
> > >
> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > >
> > > ------=_NextPart_5463_15C1_01C85079.AFCF6A50
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > >         charset="us-ascii"
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > >
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> > > incid=
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > > Check our amazing prices now!
> > > http://Effesitables=2Ecom/
> > >
> > > contact some crisis management people," said Davidlisteners in
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> > > local=
> > >  radio market in America=2E"around 100 passengers when it
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> > > be=
> > > rth at aof last year=2E In the West Coast, its 25 percent and
> > > National Football League=2E I'd like to thank all myhas visited
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> > > White=
> > >  House in 24 years=2Eshowed even a rate of 100% spam=2E
> > > ------=_NextPart_5463_15C1_01C85079.AFCF6A50
> > > Content-Type: text/html;
> > >         charset="us-ascii"
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > >
> > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4=2E0 Transitional//EN">
> > > <HTML><HEAD>
> > > <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html;
> > > charset=3Dus-ascii"=
> > > >
> > > <META content=3D"MSHTML 6=2E00=2E2900=2E2527" name=3DGENERATOR>
> > > <STYLE type=3D"text/css">
> > > =2Estyle2 {font-size: 10px; color: #8d8d8d;}
> > > =2Em {font-family: tahoma; font-size: 12; color: #5C9CBC;
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> > > </HEAD>
> > > <BODY><span class=3D"style2">=20
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> > the
> > > i=
> > > ncident=2E "It looks like one of</span>=20
> > > <br><br>
> > > <table>
> > > <tr>
> > >         <td  valign=3D"top"><div
> > > style=3D"height:89px;width:223px;backgro=
> > >
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> > >         <td width=3D"15"></td>
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> > > r><br>
> > > Great New Year prices for our super-p!ll will be a pleasant
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> > for
> > > =
> > > you!<br>
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> > > interest!</=
> > > b>
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> prices
> > > no=
> > > w!</b></a><br><br>
> > >
> > >                 </td>
> > > </tr>
> > > </table><br>
> > >
> > > <br><span class=3D"style2">contact some crisis management people,"
> > said
> > > D=
> > > avidlisteners in each local radio market in America=2E"around 100
> > > passeng=
> > > ers when it attempted to berth at aof last year=2E In the West
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> > >  25 percent and<br>National Football League=2E I'd like to thank
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> > > myha=
> > > s visited the White House in 24 years=2Eshowed even a rate of 100%
> > > spam=2E=
> > > </span><BR>
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> > <BR>
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> > <BR>
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> <BR>
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> > >
> > > ------=_NextPart_5463_15C1_01C85079.AFCF6A50--
> > >
> > >
> > > //Spam Sample 3
> > >
> > > Received: from loboxvnh8zkwfs ([88.207.56.176]) by
> mail.MY_DOMAIN.com
> > > with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0);
> > >   Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:35:17 -0500
> > > From: "Mcbride, Norman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:35:00 -0100
> > > Subject: Hot off the press.
> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > Content-Type: text/plain
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > > Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2008 13:35:17.0617 (UTC)
> > > FILETIME=[F9B37E10:01C85068]
> > >
> > > Looking for a company with some good news?  Here's one!
> > >
> > > GCME has more News that came.
> > > Looks like G C M E is not willing to miss a beat!
> > >
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> > >
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> > > Please let me know if you ahve any questions regarding this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks!
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