So what your retation and how long is your backup taking What schedule do you have
Just full after 6pm or so?? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: John Cook <john.c...@pfsf.org> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:19:03 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues<exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> Subject: Re: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 I do a full every night ----- Original Message ----- From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net <greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues <exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> Sent: Mon Mar 15 18:13:17 2010 Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 Ok then this begs the question. When backing up Exchange with a full/incremental model, whether onsite using BUEXEC, DPM, etc.. or offsite.. How can you do another backup program and not mess up the incrementals. Only way I could see to do it, would be to do full backups every night using multiple programs at different times, which is not feasible for some of our larger clients. We personally use an imaging program like ShadowProtect, Acronis or Replay and either an offsite program which does the Full/incremental or an onsite program to tape/disk. Greg -----Original Message----- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 I would never trust my companies email to a single method of backup unless there were no other choice. I would use NT Backup in addition to anything else you can get, it may save your job some day..... John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 -----Original Message----- From: jgarciaitl...@gmail.com [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 This should replace Ntbackup and acronis right? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: John Cook <john.c...@pfsf.org> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:05:21 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues<exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 It can be configured that way either an automatic failover or manual but there are restrictions. You would have to define expensive, we don't know what your budget is like but I would recommend giving Sunbelt a call and get a demo and some pricing from them. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 -----Original Message----- From: jgarciaitl...@gmail.com [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 So say my exchange server fails It will take over the standby server? Is it very expensive? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: John Cook <john.c...@pfsf.org> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:59:11 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues<exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 It requires another server - physical or virtual (licensing is different) that it replicates to so you have a fully up to date stand by server available. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 -----Original Message----- From: jgarciaitl...@gmail.com [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 I am confused how it works It requires no tapes or what?? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: John Cook <john.c...@pfsf.org> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:53:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues<exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 Well first off it isn't a Sunbelt product (they're just a reseller) however you can use it to mirror your Exchange or SQL boxes. Be advised that those require additional licensing above and beyond the base software. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 -----Original Message----- From: jgarciaitl...@gmail.com [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:51 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 Can sunbelt double take Backup exchange in a virtual enviorment And also ms sql server Is it image backup Or a true replication of the server? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "Michael B. Smith" <mich...@smithcons.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:38:42 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues<exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 You can also use the internal Windows Server Backup tool on Server 2008 R2 or Server 2008 Service Pack 2. So you don't HAVE to spend more money. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -----Original Message----- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 Quelle surprise........ John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 -----Original Message----- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 You have to get a product which is Exchange 2010 aware, whether that's DPM 2010, BackupExec 2010, or my VSS scripts, or any number of other tools. The database format changed in Exchange 2010 and it takes an Exchange-2010-aware backup program to back up Exchange 2010. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -----Original Message----- From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 Pardon the jump in here Michael. Am I reading the info right that to protect ex2010 you have to have DPM-2010? And since DPM-2010 hasn't been released, for those of us that have adopted DPM, we will have to postpone our ex2010 deplpyment until DPM-2010 is released to protect ex2010? Or did I read that info wrong or do you know how to protect ex2010 with dpm-2007 Thanks Glen. -----Original Message----- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 4:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 Exchange 2003 support is sub-par because DPM was designed to work with VSS providers and writers. The Exchange 2003 VSS support was sub-par. DPM shines with Exchange 2007 and Exchange 2010, especially with block-level and real-time restores. It's a great product. I agree with your comments - about ANY piece of software - that you should fully evaluate it and not purchase it just from a sales demo. But Exchange 2003 is old. Very old in computer terms. It was designed and written in 2000-2001. Windows, Exchange, and backup solutions have come very far since then. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 4:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 We are looking to replace Backup Exec (generally) and did not find our full replacement in DPM (we had really hoped). We are now using a combination of Acronis and native ntbackup to take care of our Exchange 2003SP2. We'll be evaluating the NetApp snap manager for exchange real soon now. Here is a dose of DPM reality. What I highly recommend to anyone not experienced with DPM (and looking at getting it) is to be sure to implement a full lab environment to assure that what the product actually does will meet your expectations before dropping the $$$. I cannot stress enough that this is NOT a product to buy based on a sales demo or even after a cursory test install/restore. Make sure it works on the exact configuration you have in production at the limits you need, particularly if you will AT ALL be using it with Exchange 2003. The truth of what dpm appears to be: -Cute wrapper around exutil, ntbackup, (etc... for other products); cute because the interface crashes sometimes. -Tight integration with Windows VSS -Some reporting/monitoring and client management tools (rough, some parts better than others) That's it I'm afraid; you could probably emulate 90%+ of the backup and restore functionality with some .cmd/powershell scripts against WMI/WinRM and the task scheduler. That's not meant to be a low blow, but more to say there's certainly no magic here regardless of the slick marketing the DPM team has put together. There are high points: - The PSS team for this product is great which is awesome since it's such a fragile product. - It seems to work better with SQL - I can say it's nearly seamless with Windows file backups BUT, its Exchange integration, particularly with 2003 is amazingly sub-par. The respective management of the Exchange and DPM dev teams don't and won't get along with each other resulting in the customer being the loser! The DPM 2010 story is a bit better, adding some nice functionality for client/laptop backups and getting rid of several interface annoyances. Client backup may be its sweet spot. DPM 2010 has not really addressed any Exchange concerns in 2010 and won't be from the communication I can see. If DPM only cost a few hundred bucks there's no way I would've said all this. It's a lot more than that, so the lipstick-on-a-pig deserved it. Think of WinNT circa 3.1... Sorry for the rant, but I just can't believe anyone could recommend this product after having it in use here going on a year. Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: Barsodi.John [mailto:john.bars...@igt.com] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 12:49 > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: [MARKETING] RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > > > Depending on all those factors, what about RTO? RPO? Backup hardware > tech? Tape? D2D? Budget? Using an Exchange replication tech? > > > > Just about all current solutions cover most scenarios. > > > > I would recommend DPM 2007, use it to back up my Geo-dispersed CCR boxes. > Love it. We use Backup Exec 12.5 at all my single mailbox server > International sites. > > > > Thanks, > > JB > > > > From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:15 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > > > That's a pretty broad request. Is there a budget for this? What level > of SLA are you trying to attain? What is the impact of losing email in > your org for an hour/day/week ? > > > > John W. 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