FC -----Original Message----- From: Harry Singh [mailto:hbo...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Software for Exchange 2007
What's the connection between the PC hosting BUE 12.5 and the Quantum? On 3/15/10, Eldridge, Dave <d...@parkviewmc.com> wrote: > Exch 2003 > I have bue 12.5 connected by FC to a Quantum dxi7500. I was amazed when I > switched to this. All of my jobs jumped up in speed. :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net] > > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:52 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > 130 gig/hr..What is your environment? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:d...@parkviewmc.com] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:43 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > 3 days? I do two weeks just in case I have to get something "last week". But > full backups though. 130 gig in an hour > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:37 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > 3 days retention, my full takes about 6 hrs (70 Gig store) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jgarciaitl...@gmail.com <jgarciaitl...@gmail.com> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues <exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > Sent: Mon Mar 15 18:35:10 2010 > Subject: Re: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > So what your retation and how long is your backup taking > > What schedule do you have > > Just full after 6pm or so?? > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Cook <john.c...@pfsf.org> > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:19:03 > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues<exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > Subject: Re: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > I do a full every night > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net <greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues <exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > Sent: Mon Mar 15 18:13:17 2010 > Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > Ok then this begs the question. > > When backing up Exchange with a full/incremental model, whether onsite > using BUEXEC, DPM, etc.. or offsite.. How can you do another backup > program and not mess up the incrementals. > Only way I could see to do it, would be to do full backups every night > using multiple programs at different times, which is not feasible for > some of our larger clients. > > We personally use an imaging program like ShadowProtect, Acronis or > Replay and either an offsite program which does the Full/incremental or > an onsite program to tape/disk. > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:21 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > I would never trust my companies email to a single method of backup > unless there were no other choice. I would use NT Backup in addition to > anything else you can get, it may save your job some day..... > > John W. Cook > Systems Administrator > Partnership For Strong Families > 315 SE 2nd Ave > Gainesville, Fl 32601 > Office (352) 393-2741 x320 > Cell (352) 215-6944 > Fax (352) 393-2746 > MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jgarciaitl...@gmail.com [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:19 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > This should replace > Ntbackup and acronis right? > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Cook <john.c...@pfsf.org> > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:05:21 > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues<exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > It can be configured that way either an automatic failover or manual but > there are restrictions. You would have to define expensive, we don't > know what your budget is like but I would recommend giving Sunbelt a > call and get a demo and some pricing from them. > > John W. Cook > Systems Administrator > Partnership For Strong Families > 315 SE 2nd Ave > Gainesville, Fl 32601 > Office (352) 393-2741 x320 > Cell (352) 215-6944 > Fax (352) 393-2746 > MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jgarciaitl...@gmail.com [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:03 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > So say my exchange server fails > It will take over the standby server? > Is it very expensive? > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Cook <john.c...@pfsf.org> > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:59:11 > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues<exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > It requires another server - physical or virtual (licensing is > different) that it replicates to so you have a fully up to date stand by > server available. > > John W. Cook > Systems Administrator > Partnership For Strong Families > 315 SE 2nd Ave > Gainesville, Fl 32601 > Office (352) 393-2741 x320 > Cell (352) 215-6944 > Fax (352) 393-2746 > MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jgarciaitl...@gmail.com [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:57 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > I am confused how it works > It requires no tapes or what?? > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Cook <john.c...@pfsf.org> > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:53:41 > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues<exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > Well first off it isn't a Sunbelt product (they're just a reseller) > however you can use it to mirror your Exchange or SQL boxes. Be advised > that those require additional licensing above and beyond the base > software. > > John W. Cook > Systems Administrator > Partnership For Strong Families > 315 SE 2nd Ave > Gainesville, Fl 32601 > Office (352) 393-2741 x320 > Cell (352) 215-6944 > Fax (352) 393-2746 > MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jgarciaitl...@gmail.com [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:51 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > Can sunbelt double take > Backup exchange in a virtual enviorment > And also ms sql server > > Is it image backup > > Or a true replication of the server? > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Michael B. Smith" <mich...@smithcons.com> > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:38:42 > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues<exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > You can also use the internal Windows Server Backup tool on Server 2008 > R2 or Server 2008 Service Pack 2. So you don't HAVE to spend more money. > > Regards, > > Michael B. Smith > Consultant and Exchange MVP > http://TheEssentialExchange.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:34 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > Quelle surprise........ > > John W. Cook > Systems Administrator > Partnership For Strong Families > 315 SE 2nd Ave > Gainesville, Fl 32601 > Office (352) 393-2741 x320 > Cell (352) 215-6944 > Fax (352) 393-2746 > MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:32 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > You have to get a product which is Exchange 2010 aware, whether that's > DPM 2010, BackupExec 2010, or my VSS scripts, or any number of other > tools. > > The database format changed in Exchange 2010 and it takes an > Exchange-2010-aware backup program to back up Exchange 2010. > > Regards, > > Michael B. Smith > Consultant and Exchange MVP > http://TheEssentialExchange.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:27 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > Pardon the jump in here Michael. > Am I reading the info right that to protect ex2010 you have to have > DPM-2010? > And since DPM-2010 hasn't been released, for those of us that have > adopted DPM, we will have to postpone our ex2010 deplpyment until > DPM-2010 is released to protect ex2010? > Or did I read that info wrong or do you know how to protect ex2010 with > dpm-2007 > Thanks > Glen. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 4:46 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > Exchange 2003 support is sub-par because DPM was designed to work with > VSS providers and writers. The Exchange 2003 VSS support was sub-par. > > DPM shines with Exchange 2007 and Exchange 2010, especially with > block-level and real-time restores. It's a great product. > > I agree with your comments - about ANY piece of software - that you > should fully evaluate it and not purchase it just from a sales demo. > > But Exchange 2003 is old. Very old in computer terms. It was designed > and written in 2000-2001. Windows, Exchange, and backup solutions have > come very far since then. > > Regards, > > Michael B. Smith > Consultant and Exchange MVP > http://TheEssentialExchange.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongu...@npumail.com] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 4:32 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 > > We are looking to replace Backup Exec (generally) and did not find our > full replacement in DPM (we had really hoped). We are now using a > combination of Acronis and native ntbackup to take care of our Exchange > 2003SP2. We'll be evaluating the NetApp snap manager for exchange real > soon now. > > Here is a dose of DPM reality. > > What I highly recommend to anyone not experienced with DPM (and looking > at getting it) is to be sure to implement a full lab environment to > assure that what the product actually does will meet your expectations > before dropping the $$$. I cannot stress enough that this is NOT a > product to buy based on a sales demo or even after a cursory test > install/restore. > Make sure it works on the exact configuration you have in production at > the limits you need, particularly if you will AT ALL be using it with > Exchange 2003. > > The truth of what dpm appears to be: > > -Cute wrapper around exutil, ntbackup, (etc... for other products); cute > because the interface crashes sometimes. > -Tight integration with Windows VSS > -Some reporting/monitoring and client management tools (rough, some > parts better than others) > > That's it I'm afraid; you could probably emulate 90%+ of the backup and > restore functionality with some .cmd/powershell scripts against > WMI/WinRM and the task scheduler. That's not meant to be a low blow, > but more to say there's certainly no magic here regardless of the slick > marketing the DPM team has put together. > > There are high points: > - The PSS team for this product is great which is awesome since it's > such a fragile product. > - It seems to work better with SQL > - I can say it's nearly seamless with Windows file backups > > BUT, its Exchange integration, particularly with 2003 is amazingly > sub-par. The respective management of the Exchange and DPM dev teams > don't and won't get along with each other resulting in the customer > being the loser! > > The DPM 2010 story is a bit better, adding some nice functionality for > client/laptop backups and getting rid of several interface annoyances. > Client backup may be its sweet spot. DPM 2010 has not really addressed > any Exchange concerns in 2010 and won't be from the communication I can > see. > > If DPM only cost a few hundred bucks there's no way I would've said all > this. It's a lot more than that, so the lipstick-on-a-pig deserved it. > Think of WinNT circa 3.1... > > Sorry for the rant, but I just can't believe anyone could recommend this > product after having it in use here going on a year. > > Jason > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barsodi.John [mailto:john.bars...@igt.com] >> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 12:49 >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> Subject: [MARKETING] RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 >> >> >> >> Depending on all those factors, what about RTO? RPO? Backup hardware >> tech? Tape? D2D? Budget? Using an Exchange replication tech? >> >> >> >> Just about all current solutions cover most scenarios. >> >> >> >> I would recommend DPM 2007, use it to back up my Geo-dispersed CCR > boxes. >> Love it. We use Backup Exec 12.5 at all my single mailbox server >> International sites. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> JB >> >> >> >> From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] >> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:15 PM >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: Backup Software for Exchange 2007 >> >> >> >> That's a pretty broad request. Is there a budget for this? What level >> of SLA are you trying to attain? What is the impact of losing email in > >> your org for an hour/day/week ? >> >> >> >> John W. 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