I can only see 2 things that matter that we give up moving from full BES to BES express: 1. High availability 2. large number of pre-configured IT Policies(I was wrong, this one doesn't really matter to me).
Please tell me what security capabilities I loose with BES Express? I don't see it. What I HAVE shucked is the $4,800 a year for support for ONE server that was nothing less than WORLD CLASS highway robbery. And I'll always have a fond place in my heart(or some unnamed place) for their smoking gun trick policy that said if I have more than 49 users and i don't pay the ridiculous price for enterprise support they would refuse to provide per incident support for me. On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Simon Butler <si...@sembee.co.uk> wrote: > Do ensure that you are comparing like with like, and also consider that > the UK mobile phone market is a lot more advanced than the USA one, so some > of the reasoning is different. > > > > The Blackberry pricing structure changed considerably earlier this year, > which makes anything you read that pre-dates 2010 pretty much out of date. > > Until that point, to use the full Blackberry feature set you needed BES (or > BPS) and the BES option on the devices. That made the Blackberry devices > very expensive to run. Here in the UK, you were looking at £35/month plus > call charges etc. My Blackberry cost me more to run than my phone used for > voice. > However, I never once paid for BES. If there were more than 10 devices I > told the service provider that I wanted BES free, and if they didn’t hand it > over, I would talk to someone else. The profit on BES data is so high, that > they hand it over. > > > > However now, that has all changed. > You can now run a Blackberry against BES Express on the BIS plan. BES > Express is free for as many devices as you want. Therefore you can run a > Blackberry, with all of the features that the end user wants on the cheaper > BIS plans. My Blackberry now costs me less than £15/month to run. > > > > Of course if you want the full BES functionality, that means you need a > full BES (which you rarely get free unless you have a large number of > handsets or are bringing in a lot of business) and you must have the full > BES data option on the devices. That makes the cost still pretty high. > > > > This PDF from RIM outlines the differences between the options available to > you. > > > http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/business/server/express/ComparisonChart_NA_021610_v3.pdf > > > > As for other choices, you will not get full management without paying for > additional software. > For the iPhone, you would have to look at third party. For Windows Mobile, > you would be looking at SCCM or whatever it is called now, or third party. > Everyone is still playing catch up with Blackberry for the Enterprise > management. > > > > Good Technologies (http://www.good.com/) is about the closest you will get > to Blackberry and has cross-platform support if you need that. However if > you can standardise on the device and don’t allow non-company devices to be > used, you will find it easier to support and more cost effective. > > > > Simon > > > > > > -- > Simon Butler > MVP: Exchange, MCSE > Sembee Ltd. > > e: si...@sembee.co.uk > w: http://www.sembee.co.uk/ > w: http://www.amset.info/ > > w: http://blog.sembee.co.uk/ > > Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with the iPhone? > http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ <http://certificatesforexchange.com/>for > certificates from just $23.99. > Need a domain for your certificate? > http://DomainsForExchange.net/<http://domainsforexchange.net/> > > > > Exchange Resources: http://exbpa.com/ > > > > > > > > *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] > *Sent:* 12 October 2010 16:15 > > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Most manageable and usable corporate smart phone? > > > > Thanks Joe, I’m picking up a bit of a theme when it comes to Blackberry in > that some of it seems to be $$$ but they do seem to “just work” and are > manageable should you decide to do something that should be fairly trivial > but you need to update X number of mobiles. > > > > I’ll look into the free vs. pay software. As I said I’m not expecting > anyone to RTFM on my behalf but sometimes experience of a product highlights > things that aren’t obvious simply by RTFM – are there any features you’d say > are “must have” that the free software doesn’t do? > > > > *From:* Joe Pochedley [mailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.com] > *Sent:* 12 October 2010 16:09 > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Most manageable and usable corporate smart phone? > > > > Blackberries have the most centrally manageable options… However to take > advantage of much of that functionality you need to pay for the Blackberry > Enterprise Server (BES). The free BES Express edition has many of the > centralized management capabilities disabled, but it’s worth a look > depending on your needs….. > > > > Depending on your size, BES may or may not be a large expense (obviously, > “large expense” is relative to your company’s income statement) J And > BES may or may not require its own server (again, depending on various > factors)… Plenty of info at the Blackberry site. > > > > JP > > > > *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 12, 2010 11:00 AM > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Most manageable and usable corporate smart phone? > > > > Blackberries are uber manageable and fairly easy to set up. > John W. 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