While we don't have the full budgeting picture, it sounds like the classic "Penny wise and pound foolish".
Kurt On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife <joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.gov> wrote: > Oh no, Michael, in all seriousness, my sarcasm was not, nor would it ever > be, directed towards you personally. You have saved my bacon more than > once, and are very much appreciated. > > > > I think some of my frustration is with the project that we in the State of > California are being forced into. The original intent was to consolidate > e-mail for the entire state, and to cut costs of each department running > their own. Great idea. However, implementation is a nightmare. Microsoft > O365 is what we’re going to, but here’s the catch. They are treating the > entire state as one company. The problem with that, is that we are about > 160 separate departments, each with our own users, etc. So, when you treat > us as one company, how do you allow, for instance, me, to manage my users > within Exchange. If you give me access to EMC, EMS or ECP, then I can make > changes that could potentially affect other departments as well as my own. > Well, we can’t have that. So they’re taking that access away from all > departmental Exchange Admins. For me to create a mailbox, I have to go into > ADUC, and use the Attribute Editor, and manually manipulate about 6 or 7 > different attributes. An automatic sync happens every 30 minutes, and the > creation gets processed back at Microsoft, in either San Antonio, or > Chicago. Which could take up to a few hours. If I make a typo during that > process? Well, I have to fix it, and wait another few hours for the process > to happen again. > > > > They are giving us a very rudimentary “admin” interface, in which we can do > about 10 different things: > > > > Export a mailbox to PST > > Add/Remove Mailbox Permission > > Add/Remove Delegate > > Activesync – Enable/Disable > > Activesync – Apply Policy > > OWA – Enable/Disable > > Apply Retention Policy > > Group Admin (create or modify cross-forest distribution lists) > > Live Meeting Admin – If you paid for this service (we did not) > > Contact Admin – allows us to add, edit or delete Contacts within the system. > > > > That’s it. That’s what I can directly affect. Anything beyond that, I have > to call the Helpdesk for the mail system, and wait. The SLA’s vary, but > with the track record of the organization that’s actually going to be doing > the work, the wait time will be hours, days and for some things possibly > weeks. > > > > > > Oh, and as far as saving money? Umm, no. We’re not completely in the > system yet, but I’ve spoken to someone who’s department is, and he’s saying > his costs went from about 30k per year for running Exchange in-house, to a > cool half million now. > > > > Yippee! > > > > > > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:59 PM > To: Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife; MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Reconnect Exchange 2010 mailbox > > > > I appreciate the irony. But please do not shoot the messenger. J > > > > Also, Clean-MailboxDatabase does not perform well “at scale”. In Microsoft’s > perspective that means, when you have mailbox databases containing many > thousands of mailboxes. > > > > That being said, there _IS_ a way in Exchange 2013 to simulate > Clean-MailboxDatabase and have it perform well at scale. Whenever I have a > few minutes, I plan on writing it up. J > > > > > > From: Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife [mailto:joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.gov] > Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 12:38 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Reconnect Exchange 2010 mailbox > > > > Now that’s funny. Exchange is “supposed” to be smart enough, so whether it > is or not, we’re going to take away the tool you could use to make sure it > happens… > > > > Awesome. > > > > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:michael@smithconscom] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 6:19 AM > To: Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife; MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Reconnect Exchange 2010 mailbox > > > > Theoretically, you should never HAVE to run the cmdlet. Exchange is supposed > to be smart enough to do this for you > > That is why the cmdlet is gone in Exchange 2013. > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > ________________________________ > > From: Guyer, Don > Sent: 2/5/2013 3:54 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Reconnect Exchange 2010 mailbox > > When you run this command, aren't you just forcing it to run right away so > you don't have to wait until it runs when scheduled? We do this all the time > with Xch2k7. > > That's the way I always understood it. Unless 2010 is different... > > Educate me as necessary. > > : ) > > Regards, > > Don Guyer > Catholic Health East - Information Technology > Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services > 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa 19073 > email: dgu...@che.org > Office: 610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440 > For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the > helpdesk @ 610-492-3839. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 4:10 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Reconnect Exchange 2010 mailbox > > That was it. I saw in an MS support forum that the Clean-Mailboxdatabase > db_name is needed for immediate access. Supposedly fixed in the current > rollup (I'm not on it). > > Thank you, > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rupprecht, James R. [mailto:jimruppre...@ku.edu] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 1:18 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Reconnect Exchange 2010 mailbox > > Run Clean-MailboxDatabase against the database that hosts the reconnected > mailbox. > > Jim Rupprecht > KU Information Technology > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:40 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Reconnect Exchange 2010 mailbox > > We have an account that was disabled accidentally. I recreated the account > in ADUC, and used the "reconnect" option in the EMC. However, when I go > into the account on OWA, the web page states that the account is disabled, > but it is not. 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