Jakob Hirsch wrote:

Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote:


design of Internet protocols.  LDAP, IMAP, SMTP, etc. etc -- it all
starts unencrypted and negotiates afterwards.


Err, there's a $1s counterpart for every protocol you listed, and there
are pop3s, imaps, nntps, https (which has no STARTTLS, TTBOMK).




ACK.

But in a manner of speaking an https (variant) can have comparable behaviour.

ISTR that 'modern' http has a provision for specifying 'en clair' which of several possible domains it seeks on a given IP, such that the server can (among other things) offer up a matching cert - otherwise historically a PITA for multi-domain servers on one IP.

'Old' AOLServer 'clusters' also did something similar via effectively transparent routing a single external IP to multiple backend AOLServers over unix sockets, & Squid *might* be able to do something similar if breathed on heavily. Likewise Exim ...

Details escape me, as implementation was/is rare, and it goes against the 'standards' vs simpler use of 'wildcard' or multi-domain certs;-)

Bill







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