On Sun, Jul 07, 2024 at 09:36:48AM +0100, Jeremy Harris via Exim-users wrote:

> Basics such as who the actors are in the connection, with which roles
> (that last item because of the confusion in the message I
> responded to yesterday).

The connection is to "mx06.et.lindenberg.one" on port 25.  When the TLSA
base domain "mx06.et.lindenberg.one" is sent as the SNI name, the
presented certificate chain is:

subject=CN = et.lindenberg.one
issuer=C = US, O = Let's Encrypt, CN = R3
-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----
MIIHFjCCBf6gAwIBAgISA2gKPw3hnIK3DhYzXdhVWUfPMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUA
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YmVyZy5vbmUwEwYDVR0gBAwwCjAIBgZngQwBAgEwggEFBgorBgEEAdZ5AgQCBIH2
BIHzAPEAdwBIsONr2qZHNA/lagL6nTDrHFIBy1bdLIHZu7+rOdiEcwAAAY/YummV
AAAEAwBIMEYCIQCNkW2popJDezZAJNLjxFvd/0EeU9n6u/vtYTQzSWA/KgIhAMbR
SEdfyaUAqkSSsEPpJA//Z/wT5alqSNmXRMM0Ac3QAHYAdv+IPwq2+5VRwmHM9Ye6
NLSkzbsp3GhCCp/mZ0xaOnQAAAGP2Lpp6wAABAMARzBFAiEAzYDVfMxUxaWC5TsO
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9T2yBSa/MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAA4IBAQB/bZ1MGoaB9J2L6I8r9edDFVQorvCN
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lO5QmymMYK9k2VuNDI9WKFaKfnF+LVVhYyzbyNT/uGbFdIhrhF/f5rES
-----END CERTIFICATE-----
subject=C = US, O = Let's Encrypt, CN = R3
issuer=C = US, O = Internet Security Research Group, CN = ISRG Root X1
-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----
MIIFFjCCAv6gAwIBAgIRAJErCErPDBinU/bWLiWnX1owDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQAw
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CkcheAmCJ8MqyJu5zlzyZMjAvnnAT45tRAxekrsu94sQ4egdRCnbWSDtY7kh+BIm
lJNXoB1lBMEKIq4QDUOXoRgffuDghje1WrG9ML+Hbisq/yFOGwXD9RiX8F6sw6W4
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yJMC6alLbBfODALZvYH7n7do1AZls4I9d1P4jnkDrQoxB3UqQ9hVl3LEKQ73xF1O
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hCExroL1+7mryIkXPeFM5TgO9r0rvZaBFOvV2z0gp35Z0+L4WPlbuEjN/lxPFin+
HlUjr8gRsI3qfJOQFy/9rKIJR0Y/8Omwt/8oTWgy1mdeHmmjk7j1nYsvC9JSQ6Zv
MldlTTKB3zhThV1+XWYp6rjd5JW1zbVWEkLNxE7GJThEUG3szgBVGP7pSWTUTsqX
nLRbwHOoq7hHwg==
-----END CERTIFICATE-----

This has a valid key usage, and passes DANE checks.

> Actual debug output from the Exim system.  I pointed out how best
> to do that on the 2nd (assuming that the Exim system is the
> accepting end for the connection).

On the other hand, when SNI is not sent, a different certificate
(single-element "chain") is presented, which does not match the
TLSA records, and whose keyUsage does not include "Digital Signature",
which is then not compatible with ephemeral DH and ECDH key exchange.

            X509v3 Key Usage:
                Key Encipherment, Data Encipherment
            X509v3 Extended Key Usage:
                TLS Web Server Authentication

This "default" certificate is:

issuer=C = DE, ST = BW, L = Karlsruhe, O = Lindenberg, OU = Tests, CN = 
et.lindenberg.one
notBefore=Jan 22 16:08:03 2022 GMT
notAfter=Jan 17 16:08:03 2042 GMT
subject=C = DE, ST = BW, L = Karlsruhe, O = Lindenberg, OU = Tests, CN = 
et.lindenberg.one
-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----
MIIDwzCCAqugAwIBAgIUMVU6QHs/gK55HDsB/Gpcnmjww3EwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEL
BQAwbzELMAkGA1UEBhMCREUxCzAJBgNVBAgMAkJXMRIwEAYDVQQHDAlLYXJsc3J1
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DBFldC5saW5kZW5iZXJnLm9uZTAeFw0yMjAxMjIxNjA4MDNaFw00MjAxMTcxNjA4
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ghFldC5saW5kZW5iZXJnLm9uZTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFAAOCAQEAW/AmccWT7y8q
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iv4/X7PaasSrtdGHB5sm5uyPRlLNgFj+/QWako3xwynrKXDDuqBjb1YGqL8odYoU
fVG5nb51PFL9WY5aNIVbxHCh9Z+xZOSHB1iUIhw+Onif3+Q2SScDaGjYfaTsoXwt
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QfeIe45ridt/sEBzZzRt4pHC1Ja1WhQCbVhR4y7j4FPVDw0vzx4122gP3xvvU1i4
yN321Vsi2w==
-----END CERTIFICATE-----

So is sure seems like Exim DANE with GnuTLS fails to set the TLSA base
domain as the SNI name, while the Exim with OpenSSL does take care of
that...

-- 
    Viktor.

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