> > great questions all. one answer - no one knows. > > generally the 90/180 day provisions are intended to keep people from full > time employment on a business/tourist visa. > > how the RF will implement it, and will this implementation be somehow > institutionalized or will it be based on the information from a secret file > seen only on her terminal by the passport girl, no one knows. how would you > pay? cash at passport control? > > most likely, it should run like this, you get a visa, let's say > Jan 1, 2008 to Dec 31, 2008, you are in and out of russia, or permanently in > russia whatever. at some point you accumulate 90 days, in any combination. > then the 'arbiter' will look at the period, and if you have =>90 'in Russia' > days in less than 180 calendar days, you are in violation. then have to > leave Russia, until a 'new' 180 calendar days starts. and yes, i think it > would be possible to get a jan1 to dec31 visa, and spend Mar - Aug, and then > Sep - Nov in Russia, so it's 180 days together. But, it's still 180 of 360. > basically, the potential for delays and corruption and headache is > phenomenal... or it may just get ignored. > > that's how i think it SHOULD work, that doesn't exclude for example the > possibility that you will have to 'bid' for your days when you get a visa, > and predict in advance days in Russia. > > frankly, the timing on this thing is not fantastic, the drafting is not > fantastic, the implementation is not clear, and everyone is planning their > new year holidays, and NOT dealing with this. so, anything can happen. > > my expectation would be that either it would not be enforced until late > winter and/or that the initial fine would be set at a fair nominal level, so > that you could just 'pay and go' the first time, while the 'they' figure out > implementation. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhess210 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Human Resources <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,The Moscow Expat List <[email protected]> > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:41:55 +0400 > Subject: Re: Expat List visas and gibberish > > > > > Dear Human Resources (and expat list) > > > > Just wondering if anyone would mind volunteering a little more > > clarification or words of wisdom. . . I'm still a little confused. . . > > Sorry to ask so many questions, BUT: > > > > A foreigner is allowed to spend 180 days a calendar year in Russia > > but only 90 of them consecutively? Is that what the 90 out of 180 means? > > > > And I remember reading that there needed to be 90 days in between > > entries? > > That would be odd- what if you leave for a week? > > > > So to confirm- Any amount of time spent in Russia before October 4, > > 2007 does not count since laws can not be retroactively implemented- > > so also, everyone's clock starts October 4th? > > (That would be great to be confirmed since I arrived in the summer > > and will very soon be over 90 days.) > > > > Is there any recourse in the law to "extend"- like getting a visa > > extended to say, 110 or 120 days if you are still under the 180? > > > > And does that mean the clock starts over for everyone as of Jan 1, > > 2008? (regardless of your visa cycle?) > > > > It would be interesting to know how they count the day of arrival and > > departure. If you fly out of Russia at 7am, or arrive at 9pm, it > > seems rather unfair for that day to be counted as one you "lived" in > > Russia. And for those people that fly a lot, those days can rapidly > > add up. > > > > Anyway, grateful for any more advice and knowledge to be shared! > > > > On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Human Resources wrote: > > > > > > > > on visas, postanovlenie No. 635, October 4, 2007 > > > > > > it is in legal force. it says, item 5. that a foreigner can't > > > spend MORE than 90 of 180 days in Russia. > > > > > > it is in legal force. > > > > > > it is also, probably not completely thought out. it would mean > > > that embassies have to close, as there is not even a diplomatic > > > exception (well, let's not talk about the vienna convention, that's > > > too narrow a group). > > > > > > it means, that anyone, starting from October 4, 2007 who stays more > > > than 90 days in Russia can be denied re-entry (despite popular > > > myths you can not be denied the right to leave if you are not a RF > > > citizen, b/c you violate your visa). > > > > > > options are: 1. wait for law to change, 2. get a conflict > > > passport, so you have two sets of visas. Any halfway decent lawyer > > > can do this in 15-20 working days, for a few hundred USD, or you > > > can do it for free. > > > > > > anyway why would anyone want to leave a country where this is > > > possible (an exact quote from a previous post): > > > > > > fighting in swards...long and short. > > > > > > I see myself in a... hmm... long sward, but not actually fighting, > > > I think I am more the "watch others in swards" kind of person. > > > > > > PS. does this mean that nick and antal have parted ways? why am I > > > not getting the GOOD gossip anymore?!!! > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Expat mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat > > > http://www.expat.ru/forum/ > > > _______________________________________________ Expat mailing list [email protected] http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat http://www.expat.ru/forum/
