Menudrake keeps files in each user directory under ~/.menu/ One of those files is named 'adding_by_menudrake'. This is where your edits go unless they are deletions in which case they go under their own name and show as "available applications" the next time you run menudrake. Your menu is built from /etc/menu/menu and other files in that directory. Menudrake is _supposed_ to be able to place a file in that directory, but it appears that it can happen only once. That file is merged with /etc/menu/menu for putposes of updating menus. If you merge by hand the data stored in your ~/.menu/adding_by_menudrake with the file referring to menudrake in your /etc directory, it will become available for all users immediately after the next run of update-menus. It will, that is, if you don't make a mistake in the editing. Otherwise, expect to be using a console to delete the merged file and rename the backups to their originals. I do NOT recommend anyone try to open /etc/menu/menu (or any other file in /etc/menu) with a text editor of less ability than jed or emacs, and specifically suggest you leave it alone with kedit, because text wrapping done by some editors causes a disaster. Anyway, that's how to update menus for now. For those of you with four copies of every menu item, look at /etc/menu/menu and look at other files there as well--those files are merged in making the menu--so your problem might lie there. Detecting and removing duplicates should be reasonably easy with a powerful editor. Civileme