I am starting to question the idea of us all supporting AMD, if transmeta
made a good desktop processor comparable with Athlons or P4's I'd back them
first...

AMD are sucking up to M$ something bigtime, they have jumped on the
Palladium bandwagon just like intel, they renamed their processor after the
M$ latest OS, and they work really hard to get in M$ good books.... why they
do it is irrelevant (money, name association...etc).. that they do is.....
because when it comes down to it.. all the palladium crap is gonna be on the
processor.. AMD's as much as intels.

remember, any replies I get that start with "but they said it will all be
turned off by default" doesn't know M$ very well, they may well start it
that way, but how long before that changes???

I say "come on Transmeta, get us a fast, preferable pin compatable processor
compariable to the others and we will jump on board like never before."


rgds

Frank



-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 2:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in
town(October 22)


So we have to support AMD more, afterall AMD is as "American" as
,Microsuck.Intel is the Devils advocate.We know who we are .,and dont forget
that browsers "technology" of M$ is a clone of Mosaic and do M$ pay back to
the world ?NO.

Choong

Oliver Thieke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hi List, hi Steve B.   ;-) !
>
> > "Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of,"
>
>Talking about a home environ he might be right. But in a corporate
>environ ?  win2k and XP-Pro are there as complicated and difficult to
>administrate as LX/UX...  The decisive difference is not the
>cost/complexity of administration but the number of applications
>(still, unfortunately).
>
> > "Linux is a cloned operating system - it cloned Unix and now
> > it wants to clone Windows. "
>
>So what ?  To clone a proven, well-designed system for cheap hardware
>is maybe a good idea, hmmm.  M$ is still in the process of cloning...
>And Mac OS-X is a clone (or fusion of UX, Obj-C-Lib's and MAC-GUI) too...
>
> > "It would be nice to get some innovation."
>
>And what about M$ ?  Which innovations do they provide ?  Declaring
>the web browser as a vital OS' component ? They just get it half-way
>right on the third attempt...  And what about their innovations ?
>
>   + C#:                heavily influenced by SUN's Java
>   + GUI:               invented by PARC Xerox & spread by Apple Mac
>   + Win NT:            based on co-development with IBM (OS/2)
>   + Office Apps:       invented by VisiCalc
>   + TCP/IP:            invented by DARPA & spread by UX
>   + Web:               invented at CERN and NCSA (UIUC),
>                        first denied an neglected by M$...
>   + User Admin (ADS):  clone of Novell's NDS and LDAP
>   + Authetification:   based on Kerberos (ADS)
>   + SMB/CIFS:          original SMB protocol introduced by IBM
>   + MS SQL:            Sybase clone
>
>And their own "innovations" - WINS and NT domain. Gone...
>
>And security ?  One of my favorite quotes:
>
>"Honestly, security experts don't pick on Microsoft because we have some
>  fundamental dislike for the company.  Indeed, Microsoft's poor products
>  are one of the reasons we're in business.  We pick on them because
they've
>  done more to harm Internet security than anyone else, because they
>  repeatedly lie to the public about their products' security, and because
>  they do everything they can to convince people that the problems lie
>  anywhere but inside Microsoft.
>  Microsoft treats security vulnerabilities as public relations problems.
>  Until that changes, expect more of this kind of nonsense from Microsoft
>  and its products."
>  Bruce Schneier, cryptogram Jan, 2002
>
>To broaden the discussion:  the only thing I fear for the future and
>from M$ is the whole subject of TCPA, DRM and "Palladium"...
>It will be based on Hardware, will give M$ a deeper control of
>the PC and the software installed on it and might be a serious
>threat for the OpenSource Software and movement...
>
>Cheers from the city without the wall ;-).
>
>Oliver
>
>
>
>

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