On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 15:01, civileme wrote: > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 12:13 pm, flacycads wrote: > > If you are referring to me, my /etc/hosts file is correct (not empty), and > > my hard drives are tweaked with hdparm, and have been since I started Linux > > about 9 months ago. I also only run the services I actually need, and > > compile lean as possible kernels. However, I know I could use more ram on > > these machines, and that would help the performance. I also use only the > > best ram, and have been a serious overclocker at times, and know the ins > > and outs of that, although at present I'm not overclocking while I'm > > trying to really learn about my Linux systems. > > > > I've made a pretty serious effort to tune my Mandrake install, and read > > everything I could find on the subject, but of course I'm all ears for any > > advice anyone wants to offer, and it will certainly be appreciated. I can > > use all the knowledge I can get, and this great expert list has really > > helped me tremendously. > > > > I came from a Mac/windows background, and have many years experience > > tweaking them for maximun performance. BTW, someone mentioned windows won't > > use all the memory. That's not exactly correct- you can edit the System.ini > > file to force windows to use all available ram before using the swap file. > > This works really well for those with a lot of ram. You can also make edits > > to control the loading and unloading of .dlls, among many other settings > > edits that affect performance. I only mention this because I've been trying > > to figure out if there are similar modifications in Linux- there doesn't > > seem to be much written about this- at least I haven't run across much. And > > of course I still have a lot to learn about the /etc/filexxxx possiblities. > > > > My main concern is not how fast an OS boots, or how fast applications load > > into ram, it's how good the response/performance is afterwards. Which is, > > of course, where lots of ram and a fast cpu works wonders, with Linux or > > windows. > > > > Robert Crawford > > > > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:11 pm, et wrote: > > > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:39 am, civileme wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:17 pm, Jack Coates wrote: > > > > > Not to turn it into a WM flamewar, but are you using KDE or GNOME? > > > > > Either fullblown environment can make the experience a lot slower in > > > > > my experience. > > > > > > > > > > It's also possible and fun to throw Linux's performance down the > > > > > stairs in ways that Windows simply won't do, such as pixmapped themes > > > > > and running graphic programs in the root-window. Go easy on the > > > > > eye-candy, get faster response. > > > > > > > > > > Last but not least, there are definitely issues with XFree86 that > > > > > won't be going away. For one thing, X is a user space program and the > > > > > Win32 GDI is kernel space, ring 0, ever since NT 4.0. This is > > > > > changing with DRI, but at the same cost of decreased stability which > > > > > plagues NT video. Also, X's video card support tends to be a bit > > > > > flaky in my experience, which is to say it's a crap-shoot if running > > > > > a 3d program is going to produce software rendering, hardware > > > > > rendering, static across the top 3rd of my screen, or a video card > > > > > lockup (all of these have happened this week with a Voodoo3 and an > > > > > i815). I don't think that XFree86 gets the same sort of attention > > > > > that Windows drivers get, since driver debugging that goes past the > > > > > point of "it works on the primary developer's machine" is not very > > > > > fun. > > > > > > > > > > dos centavos, > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 21:36, flacycads wrote: > > > > > > OK- you're correct- I don't speak for everyone, and my choice of > > > > > > words was unfortunate. Please accept my apology. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, my experience on several dual boot boxes with different > > > > > > versions of windows and Linux has always been that overall computer > > > > > > performance is significantly better when booted to windows. I'm > > > > > > sorry, but that's what happens- there's no question about it. Of > > > > > > course I do have any windows installation I run highly tweaked and > > > > > > tuned to perfection( as good as is possible), and perhaps I can > > > > > > tweak my Linux installs a little more than I presently have. > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert Crawford > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday 25 February 2003 07:26 pm, et wrote: > > > > > > > On Tuesday 25 February 2003 05:01 pm, Joe Braddock wrote: > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > > > > From: flacycads <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > Sent: 02/25/03 05:10 PM > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > Anyone who dual boots with windows on the same hardware knows > > > > > > > > that windows > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > And don't forget the obvious > > > > > > > > Office is like 95% loaded if you use windows... compare that to loading > > > > ALL of OpenOffice. > > > > > > > > So if you are comparing Windows performance in this area, try opening > > > > OpenOffice on Desktop 2 and just ticking it on the taskbar, > > > > > > > > Same for Konqueror/Mozilla/Phoenix/Opera vs MSIE > > > > > > > > That is not to say there are not slower areas in linux. Video drivers > > > > are a problem (strange, Windows doesn't write video drivers), and of > > > > course the overhead in maintaining decent security is there by design > > > > in linux. > > > > > > > > My own results, on my own equipment, do not support your results, but > > > > then I have machines with a LOT of memory which linux uses and Windows > > > > does not. > > > > > > > > Civileme > > > > > > I bet your network is correctly setup and tweaked, and his /etc/host file > > > is empty too > > even if you set windows to use all of ram before dipping into swap, big deal. > With 256M available here is what I have > [EMAIL PROTECTED] tester]$ free > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 256748 246884 9864 0 19596 95268 > -/+ buffers/cache: 132020 124728 > Swap: 401584 203788 197796 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] tester]$ > > That looks like 4% free > > but look about half is buffers/cache. > > Windows doesn't do that, no how no way. Windows uses up memory when it has > memory leaks. In linux, unused memory above a certain level is just wasted > memory that could be employed to make the system run faster. > > It has been a while since I tested windows, but I just happened to have > someone's machine to work on today, XP and Mandrake 9.1Beta3.... > > I can run MS Office and three internet windows and download a 400K file on XP > and it becomes noticeably sluggish on Xp and won't load Pool of Radiance RoMD > in less than 4 minutes. (yes I have DSL 240 up and 320 down) > > I can run OpenOffice and 12 internet windows and download a 650Mb file to keep > things busy on linux and RoMD still loads in about 2 minutes under WineX > > It is an Athlon XP 1700 UNDERCLOCKED to 1210MHz with a 256M PC133 SDRAM and a > 40 G Maxtor and a pedestrian CDRW (4x2x24).. (Yep the underclocking is > necessary cause the board won't run right on Win or linux at higher speeds... > An XP should never have been put on this board--that was the diagnostic that > made it show up here--my recommendation is to put in a T-bird CPU or replace > the motherboard) > > Civileme
Civilme, Try this one to blow some minds. (found out by accident) I had a box with 512 megs of ram. I installed MDK 8.1 on it (New HDD) and forgot to create a swap partition.. How I don't know, but I did. I found out about that when I got ready to load 8.2 ... 6 months and I never noticed that swap was missing. So for fun.. I took the win2000 drive of my wife's comp and put it on the same box (she was about to get a bigger drive too and her box only holds one.) and disabled swap on it. Boot alone took 27 minutes! (with swap under 2 minutes) Says a lot about memory management. James
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