On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 11:24, Olaf Marzocchi wrote:
> At 06.27 05/04/2003, you wrote:
> >On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 15:22, Olaf Marzocchi wrote:
> > > [I sent this message some days ago but I did not see it in the ML. I send
> > > it again.]
> > >
> > > I downloaded two days ago the ISOs and yesterday I installed them in the
> > > following PC:
> > >
> > > Mobo PCChips 748lmrt, 128+64+32 ram, chipset sis620 (with onboard audio
> > > cmi8738, lan davicom 901a, video sis 620 agp shared memory, modem pctel
> > > AMR), celeron 400, video card 3dfx Banshee 16 mb PCI. hda IBM 60GXP 40 GB
> > > (hda1 ReiserFS 5 GB, swap 400 MB and /home about 32 GB, ReiserFS).
> 
> 
> > > I had a "problem" during X configuration: I saw "Voodoo Banshee 
> > generic" as
> > > video card set automatically, so I simply changed the resolution: from 
> > 1024
> > > to 800. I then tested the configuration and ... EVERYTHING freezed.
> > > Control-Alt-Fx did not work and I had to reinstall everything from the
> > > beginning (I didn't know the x configuration was the LAST step! :-\. Hard
> > > reboot and installation from the beginning. After about one hour and half,
> > > at the same point of the previous freeze, I simply ignored the test button
> > > and I accepted the configuration.
> > >
> > > When I rebooted (with much expectations, honestly) I found linux booting
> > > without graphics (I was really suprised: I have seen the graphic boot for
> > > at least 3 MDKs!) and **really slow**, especially in the "Finding modules
> > > dependencies" (or similar, I'm writing from another pc because the pctel
> > > modem is not recognized, as expected: not only it's a softmodem, it's also
> > > AMR).
> >
> >looks like it's running depmod -a every boot now -- I've seen this too.
> 
> Is this necessary? It takes about 30 seconds or more!

there's something else wrong, it only takes about 3 seconds on my system
after the first run.

> 
> > > Unfortunately, when the login manager should have appeared, everything
> > > locked up again. I could hear the HD reading something, but I wasn't able
> > > to kill xfree because I could not access the terminals. Hard reboot AGAIN.
> > > I booted into runlevel 3 and executed XFdrake, this time trying to use a
> > > different driver for the video card. I didn't find one, but I discovered I
> > > could select xfree 4.3 wirthout 3d support or even xfree 3.3.6. I don't
> > > know why but the problem was 3D support: the Banshee card has 3d support
> > > with xfree, but who knows...
> >
> >Glad I saw this before trying to upgrade either of my servers -- they
> >both have Voodoo3 AGP cards in them. Have you tried using 3.3.6? It was
> >always pretty solid with the Voodoo.
> 
> Thank you for the tip! I tried 3.3.6 but, since 4.3 worked, I chose the 
> latest. Anyway, has 3.3.6 3d support? if not, where's the advantage?

you can call >1 second response time after clicking a menu working,
personally I'd call it "format the disk and try again." 3.3.6 does have
3d support, I used to play Quake 3 on it all the time. Sniff. I'd play
Quake 3 on my laptop now if it didn't insist on mmap'ing /dev/dsp.

> 
> > > Another strange thing: not only kde and gnome are slower than mdk 9.0, but
> > > even the whole system: for example, window maker or a simple "./configure"
> > > executed in a separate shell outside xfree (runlevel 5). Could it depends
> > > on the kernel? I don't know, but I find this situation very strange and
> > > unacceptable (I mean: I will come back to mdk 9.0 and I'll try to upgrade
> > > manually as much as I can).
> > >
> >
> >X stuff being slow could be an xserver problem, but this sounds like
> >something different... I don't know what though.
> >/etc/sysconfig/harddisks? Was the system responsive before?
> 
> The system has always been responsive ... as responsive as a cel400 with a 
> very poor chipset can be. This time, with 9.1, it's MUCH worse.
> The problem should not be related to the harddisk: the ibm hd is now pio (I 
> will change it to dma soon), but the disk works only for few seconds, while 
> apps take many many seconds to start, after the hd has stopped working. I 
> forgot to tell that I set the hd in quietest mode, but this affects only 
> seek time (so it could probably slows down the depmod process), while, as 
> already said, apps take much to start even after the hd has finished.
> 

well something is way wrong, but I don't know what it is.

> > > A question: why did you choose a -pre kernel? was it really necessary?
> > >
> >
> >I'll hazard a guess that it's ACPI -- those of us with new laptops and
> >desktops don't get working systems without good ACPI support, and 2.4.21
> >is definitely a lot better.
> 
> What about preemptive patch? is it already inside?
> 

Not yet, but I would expect that the 9.2 distro will have it (if it
isn't a 2.6 kernel)

> Thank you
> 
> Olaf
> 
> <olaf@ kjws.com> for every kind of mail, except spam! :-) 
> 
> 
> 
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