I will be there also, but just watching this weekend. Im pretty excited to see the track, never been up there before. Good hunting fellas!
Bryan Rogers =============================================== You may change your F500 digest format and options or unsubscribe by visiting: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 =============================================== Today's Topics: 1. Re: Daytona National/ECR Race Groupings (Rob Howden) 2. RE: Daytona National/ECR Race Groupings (Lindsey, Mark) 3. Gingerman roll call???? (Phil Green) 4. RE: Gingerman roll call???? (Charles) 5. RE: Gingerman roll call???? (Rock Irving) 6. F500 added to classifieds (Matt Van Benschoten) Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="===============1200481869==" MIME-Version: 1.0 --===============1200481869== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Rob Howden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: list Subject: Re: [F500] Daytona National/ECR Race Groupings Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:36:32 -0400 To: <[email protected]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message: 1 Chuck...that was an excellent letter and something that we need to jump on soon. A concerted letter/e-mail barrage from the racers of the region needs to happen very soon. I am also interested in looking into this problem for potential editorial columns on eformulacarnews.com and in FormulaCar Magazine. Please forward me the necessary contact information so that I can interview the correc people to get their 'official' statement and motivations on paper. When it comes to Regional SCCA racing, it high time that all the classes get off their asses and organize Challenge-style series that pick and choose Regionals for mass competition. The EWC in the Central Division uses the power of a 25+ grid to demand a sole race group. The guys run other Regionals as well, but for a Regional Club to get the money from big formula car entries, they need to treat the category with some respect. Lumping F500 and FV with SRF is disgusting and dangerous. Respectfully, Rob Howden Publisher / Editor-in Chief - ekartingnews.com - Super Kart Illustrated - eformulacarnews.com - FormulaCar Magazine Ph: 519-624-2003 Fax: 519-624-0053 P.O. Box 580 Cambridge, Ontario Canada N1R 5W1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis A. Schultz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [F500] Daytona National/ECR Race Groupings > WOW, NeatO! Chuck if you ever run for public office you've got my vote. > Louie Schultz, Philly Region > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck McAbee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 12:42 PM > Subject: [F500] Daytona National/ECR Race Groupings > > > > I sent the following e-mail to the functionaries of Central Florida Region > > as well as the CRB about combining SRF, F500 & FV into a race group at > > Daytona next month. > > > > Chuck McAbee > > SEDIV #16 > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Chuck McAbee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 3:40 PM > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; > > '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > Cc: SCCA Comp Board ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > Subject: Daytona National/ECR Race Groupings > > > > > > > > Central Florida Region has scheduled a National/ECR event for May 6-7, > 2006. > > The race groupings as identified by the race announcement have SRF, FV & > > F500 all in one grouping. I cannot think of a more dangerous grouping of > > cars, from an organization that preaches SAFETY. With SRF's having a > > minimum weight of 1670 pounds (2 times +70 pounds the weight of an F500 > and > > outweighing and FV by 645 pounds) as well as the restricted rearward > > visibility of the SRF's, this grouping is an incident looking for a place > to > > happen and the mass of the SRF's insure that the non-SRF that is involved > > will be the loser. Additionally the size of the SRF's blocks the view of > > Formula Drivers from anything that is taking place beyond the SRF, > analogus > > to being in a sub-compact on the Interstate and being surrounded by Box > Vans > > and 53 foot box trailers. This grouping is not based upon 'straggling' > > participation. In 2005 there were 34 SRF's that participated in their own > > class race; there were 13 F500's & FV's that competed in an 18 car class > > with FF's. In 2004 the numbers were 41 SRF's and 20 F500's & FV's. > > > > It would appear to me, that Central Florida Region does not desire the > > participation of the Club Members that drive the lower powered Formula > cars > > and is doing it's best to insure that none, or very few participate in > this > > event. As a dues paying and participating driver in the SCCA SEDIV > National > > Program I resent a Restricted Regional ECR event being the tail that wags > > the dog of a National event. For the ECR cars to be given 4 hours 10 > > minutes of timed track time and then cramming the National race groupings > > into unsafe groupings is a corruption of the National Racing Program. > > > > It is patently unsafe to combine a well subscribed class of large, heavy, > > slow cars with a reasonably well subscribed class of smaller, lighter and > > faster cars. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck McAbee > > > > Nat. Lic. 148167 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > F500 mailing list - [email protected] > > To unsubscribe or change options please visit: > > http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 > > *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! *** > _______________________________________________ > F500 mailing list - [email protected] > To unsubscribe or change options please visit: > http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 > *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! *** > --===============1200481869== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lindsey, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: list Subject: RE: [F500] Daytona National/ECR Race Groupings Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:22:06 -0400 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message: 2 The F5's were faster than the SRF's at last summer's Daytona regional race, however they split started us behind the SRF's. We picked our way through them the entire time. Great to draft behind, but not much else. They also brake several seconds sooner than we do. One F-5 got it's nose chomped by an SRF. No injuries or damage other than the nose. You had to be really cautious and forget about passing in the turns or turn in points to stay alive. Mark S. Lindsey ask + listen + create -----Original Message----- From: Louis A. Schultz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [F500] Daytona National/ECR Race Groupings WOW, NeatO! Chuck if you ever run for public office you've got my vote. Louie Schultz, Philly Region ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck McAbee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: [F500] Daytona National/ECR Race Groupings > I sent the following e-mail to the functionaries of Central Florida Region > as well as the CRB about combining SRF, F500 & FV into a race group at > Daytona next month. > > Chuck McAbee > SEDIV #16 > > > _____ > > From: Chuck McAbee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 3:40 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; > '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Cc: SCCA Comp Board ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > Subject: Daytona National/ECR Race Groupings > > > > Central Florida Region has scheduled a National/ECR event for May 6-7, 2006. > The race groupings as identified by the race announcement have SRF, FV & > F500 all in one grouping. I cannot think of a more dangerous grouping of > cars, from an organization that preaches SAFETY. With SRF's having a > minimum weight of 1670 pounds (2 times +70 pounds the weight of an F500 and > outweighing and FV by 645 pounds) as well as the restricted rearward > visibility of the SRF's, this grouping is an incident looking for a place to > happen and the mass of the SRF's insure that the non-SRF that is involved > will be the loser. Additionally the size of the SRF's blocks the view of > Formula Drivers from anything that is taking place beyond the SRF, analogus > to being in a sub-compact on the Interstate and being surrounded by Box Vans > and 53 foot box trailers. This grouping is not based upon 'straggling' > participation. In 2005 there were 34 SRF's that participated in their own > class race; there were 13 F500's & FV's that competed in an 18 car class > with FF's. In 2004 the numbers were 41 SRF's and 20 F500's & FV's. > > It would appear to me, that Central Florida Region does not desire the > participation of the Club Members that drive the lower powered Formula cars > and is doing it's best to insure that none, or very few participate in this > event. As a dues paying and participating driver in the SCCA SEDIV National > Program I resent a Restricted Regional ECR event being the tail that wags > the dog of a National event. For the ECR cars to be given 4 hours 10 > minutes of timed track time and then cramming the National race groupings > into unsafe groupings is a corruption of the National Racing Program. > > It is patently unsafe to combine a well subscribed class of large, heavy, > slow cars with a reasonably well subscribed class of smaller, lighter and > faster cars. > > > > > > Chuck McAbee > > Nat. Lic. 148167 > > > > _______________________________________________ > F500 mailing list - [email protected] > To unsubscribe or change options please visit: > http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 > *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! *** --===============1200481869== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Phil Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: list Subject: [F500] Gingerman roll call???? Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:39:50 -0400 To: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message: 3 Well, I'm out... But I'll be there anyway. Who is coming? I'll have beer! Phil --===============1200481869== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: list Subject: RE: [F500] Gingerman roll call???? Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:01:00 -0500 To: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message: 4 Despite the lack of snow, we're planning on being there with 850 lbs. of love. Time to break (-in) the 493. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Green Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [F500] Gingerman roll call???? Well, I'm out... But I'll be there anyway. Who is coming? I'll have beer! Phil _______________________________________________ F500 mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change options please visit: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! *** --===============1200481869== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Rock Irving" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: list Subject: RE: [F500] Gingerman roll call???? Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:03:46 -0500 To: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message: 5 Phil We are making the trip from Wisconsin, The question is how much beer do you have? Rock -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [F500] Gingerman roll call???? Despite the lack of snow, we're planning on being there with 850 lbs. of love. Time to break (-in) the 493. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Green Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [F500] Gingerman roll call???? Well, I'm out... But I'll be there anyway. Who is coming? I'll have beer! Phil _______________________________________________ F500 mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change options please visit: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! *** _______________________________________________ F500 mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change options please visit: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! *** --===============1200481869== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Matt Van Benschoten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: list Subject: [F500] F500 added to classifieds Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:33:27 -0400 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message: 6 T90 Red Devil added to F500 classifieds. http://www.f500.org/modules.php?op=modload <http://www.f500.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=PN_zClassifieds&file=detail &cat=20&de=201> &name=PN_zClassifieds&file=detail&cat=20&de=201 Regards, Matt Van Benschoten <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] --===============1200481869==-- _______________________________________________ F500 mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change options please visit: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! *** _______________________________________________ F500 mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change options please visit: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! ***
