Have you guys seen this????? This is a 3 cylinder 4 stroke developed for the fsae this engine would drop right in, is affordable and has comparable hp to what we are using now.
Dantheman >From: "Steven Dodd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [F500] Jack & Jim new build proposal >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:00:09 -0500 > >So Jim, with the below proposal in mind, can you build me a 15k roller >(tubeframe) with 13 inch wheels, swaybar etc. I would need to spend the >extra 400 bucks for a 1 litre motor vs 600 and a couple of grand for wings >but you may have just proposed the worlds most economical F1000. Sign me >up! > >Seriously can you do it that cheap? I don't mind racing two classes. > >In sales and marketing a positive spin usually works better than the blues. > When we start braggin about beating Fords more than worrying that a bunch >of kids aren't jumping in our class, we may see some growth. In my >professional life, I wouldn't dream of telling a customer I haven't sold >any XYZ product. I would emphasize the positives and let the sales follow. > Ford & Gm never go "hey sales are in the crapper, C'mon down and lets >make a deal". >Regarding what Spec is doing right- SCCA enterprizes and SEXY ads. Sex >sells. Put a female SAE mastertech that looks like Hennesey in front of >our cars and you may see some orders. > >Steven > > > > >>In regards to the survivial and growth of the F500 class some major >>changes >>have to occur. I agree it should be a 600cc motorcycle engine with 6 speed >>sequential gearbox. I agree with Jack Walbran that the dyno work should be >>done so as the speed performance is in line with where we are now with the >>493/494 if not a little stronger. Clints 493 is running down top run off >>Fords in a straight line. I would also like to see a spec shock spring and >>I >>would take Jacks suggestion one step further and allow 13" wheels. This >>would >>bring the Goodyear compounds back into play. The cars need to look larger >>to >>be more appealing to bring in new drivers, and some of us are growing >>sideways >>and need some more room. All of the larger Formula cars, FSCCA , F1000, FC >>are >>all in the $50,000.00 range. We need a car that is not much more than what >>we >>are paying now with no wings as an affordable entry level car and still be >>the >>best bang for the buck. Our Invaders were over $20,000.00. Of the 7 Mike >>sold, 6 were to us. 5 are for sale now and I am not getting any calls >>which >>is >>why we are having this discussion. There is no interest from new drivers. >>There was a lot of talk on Apex concerning the F1000 because the cost >>immediately went too high and eliminated lots of prospective buyers thus >>the >>need for an affordable wingless formula car. Our present manufacturers >>without >>too many changes could make these changes and do it affordable. A 600cc >>Honda >>will fit in the Invader with only changing the rear shock location. 13" >>wheels >>and tires are only 1 or 2 inches more in overall circumference to our 19" >>tire. >> >>Having been active in this class since 1989, even though it is the biggest >>bang >>for the buck, it has not drawn enough new participants to keep the class >>alive >>and the reasons for that, as I stated above, the cars are a little too >>small, >>you cannot shift them and they are extremely high maintenance vehicles. We >>work on them constantly while at the track. I have been asked thousands of >>times, why are you guys always working on your cars? A massed produced >>motorcycle engine, transmission chain drive to a solid axle would make it >>a >>lot >>less tedious during the weekends, maybe we would even make it to the >>social >>for >>a cold one. >> >>Going along the F1000 rules, any 600cc motorcycle engine can be used in >>stock >>configuration with limited modifications, to the oil pan for clearance >>purposes >>and an open air intake system. I agree the dry sump system is the best but >>I >>presently have a Dsports with a modified oil pan for wet sump and he has >>run >>it >>for 2 years with no problem and just received brand new Stohr F1000 with a >>Billet oil pan wet sump also. >> >>Right now you can only buy Formula Vee or Formula 500 for under >>$20,000.00. >>Formula Fords are over $30,000.00 and we go faster than most of them and >>then >>you jump up to the $50,000.00 range. If we could get a car as fast as the >>top >>F500 guys are running, which is faster than most of the Fords this >>packaged >>with a low cost mass produced motorcycle motor, the option of a paddle >>shifter and no CVT to work on you would attract a lot of newcomers who >>cannot >>afford $50,000.00 for what is available now. >> >>Projecting out a few years I see only these Formula Classes at the >>runoffs, >>Formula Vee, this new class F5/6?, F1000, Formula SCCA, FC and FA. Without >>some major changes you will be racing against 1, 2 possibly 3 other guys >>at >>regional events only. I have always been a strong supporter of this class >>but >>there is no fun in it when you are only racing one other person. At our >>first >>2 winter nationals we had 3 starters at Sebring and 4 starters at >>Homestead. >>These numbers speak for themselves. At our first regional at Sebring there >>were only 3 F500s, 2 of which were Dolphins. The 3 F500s out qualified >>the >>Spec Racers but they split started them because there were 45 of them so >>they >>put us in the back with the 6 Formula Vees. The spec racers are doing >>something right. These cars are over $30,000.00 and are a lot slower than >>ours >>but continue to attract new people. All they do is gas and go all weekend. >>For $30,000.00 I would rather be driving an F600. And by the way, the >>young >>driver who works with us , Matt Strand, did pass all 45 of the Spec Racers >>to >>get the overall win in just his second race. >> >>As for advertising we have advertised heavily in print as well as e >>magazine >>s >>and got little response from the karters. They were not interested in F500 >>once they turned 16. If they could afford it they went into wings and >>things >>not 500s. All this being said does not end what is presently in place. If >>those who want to run what we have now 493/494 CVT thats ok too, but lets >>try >>something new. The present package only appeals to a few. We need to >>attract >>new drivers. And remember, nothing changes if nothing changes. >> >>P.S. Check out www.formulajedi.com its a F600 class in the U.K. >> >>Jim Elder >>Dolphin Motorsports _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. 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