Jul 9 at 8:19 PMI sent this yesterday but it seems to have gotten lost --- if
it ends up being double-posted, I apologize.
Can quotations in Factor still be executed after the parent function has gone
out of scope (done its EXIT)? Scheme/Lisp allows this, and they hold the local
frame of the parent function on the heap rather than on the stack so that it
persists after the parent function has exited so the quotation can still use
it. It has to eventually get GC'd. LOTD definitely doesn't have GC, because the
FMITE is a micro-controller (also because we don't have tagged data so there is
no way to tell the difference between an integer and a pointer except to know
this a-priori).
In LOTD I don't allow quotations to be executed after the parent function has
gone out of scope; the parent function's local-frame is on the stack so it is
lost when the parent function exits.
In LOTD, a quotation could execute after the parent function has gone out of
scope if it doesn't access the parent function's local variables --- but I
disallow this too for consistency. The users should just use :NONAME for
anonymous functions that persist indefinitely --- quotations are for situations
where the anonymous function needs to communicate with the parent, and it does
so either through local variables or (if a bar-feature higher-order function
was used to call the quotation) on the data-stack.
regards --- Hugh
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:46:41 +0200
From: Bj?rn Lindqvist <bjou...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Factor-talk] What do we call a collection of vocabs?
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There is a correspondence between common languages names for
programming objects and Forth-inspired languages names:
Python => Java => Factor
function => method word
module => class vocabulary
package => package ???
So in Python, a collection of functions (and classes) in a file forms
a module and a collection of modules forms a package. In Java, a
collection of methods forms a class and a collection of classes forms
a package. In Factor, a file with words is a vocab but a collection of
vocabs is what? :) Do we have a name for it?
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 18:19:10 -0700
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The only names we have right now are "vocab-root" (vocabularies that share
a common file directory they are loaded from) or "dictionary" (mapping of
vocabulary names to vocabularies).
I think "package" would be the best name probably, and we have had some
ideas in the past on working on a module system:
https://gist.github.com/jckarter/3440892
The issue is being tracked here:
https://github.com/slavapestov/factor/issues/641
On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Bj?rn Lindqvist <bjou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is a correspondence between common languages names for
> programming objects and Forth-inspired languages names:
>
> Python => Java => Factor
> function => method word
> module => class vocabulary
> package => package ???
>
> So in Python, a collection of functions (and classes) in a file forms
> a module and a collection of modules forms a package. In Java, a
> collection of methods forms a class and a collection of classes forms
> a package. In Factor, a file with words is a vocab but a collection of
> vocabs is what? :) Do we have a name for it?
>
>
> --
> mvh/best regards Bj?rn Lindqvist
>
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I think ``dictionary`` would be the Factor way.
Issue 641 talks about renaming words to functions etc.
On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 6:19 PM, John Benediktsson <mrj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The only names we have right now are "vocab-root" (vocabularies that share
> a common file directory they are loaded from) or "dictionary" (mapping of
> vocabulary names to vocabularies).
>
> I think "package" would be the best name probably, and we have had some
> ideas in the past on working on a module system:
>
> https://gist.github.com/jckarter/3440892
>
> The issue is being tracked here:
>
> https://github.com/slavapestov/factor/issues/641
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Bj?rn Lindqvist <bjou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There is a correspondence between common languages names for
>> programming objects and Forth-inspired languages names:
>>
>> Python => Java => Factor
>> function => method word
>> module => class vocabulary
>> package => package ???
>>
>> So in Python, a collection of functions (and classes) in a file forms
>> a module and a collection of modules forms a package. In Java, a
>> collection of methods forms a class and a collection of classes forms
>> a package. In Factor, a file with words is a vocab but a collection of
>> vocabs is what? :) Do we have a name for it?
>>
>>
>> --
>> mvh/best regards Bj?rn Lindqvist
>>
>>
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Subject: Re: [Factor-talk] What do we call a collection of vocabs?
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I seem to recall (dimly from a long time ago) the term "lexicon" being
used in Forth as the next step in the hierarchy. I.e. word ->
vocabulary -> lexicon. In Forth, "dictionary" has a much different
meaning as a searchable list of words. Thus, using "dictionary" here
for Factor might cause confusion for people coming from a Forth
background who are drawn to Factor (like me!). No problems with
"package", however.
-John
On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Doug Coleman <doug.cole...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think ``dictionary`` would be the Factor way.
>
> Issue 641 talks about renaming words to functions etc.
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 6:19 PM, John Benediktsson <mrj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The only names we have right now are "vocab-root" (vocabularies that share
>> a common file directory they are loaded from) or "dictionary" (mapping of
>> vocabulary names to vocabularies).
>>
>> I think "package" would be the best name probably, and we have had some
>> ideas in the past on working on a module system:
>>
>> https://gist.github.com/jckarter/3440892
>>
>> The issue is being tracked here:
>>
>> https://github.com/slavapestov/factor/issues/641
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Bj?rn Lindqvist <bjou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is a correspondence between common languages names for
>>> programming objects and Forth-inspired languages names:
>>>
>>> Python => Java => Factor
>>> function => method word
>>> module => class vocabulary
>>> package => package ???
>>>
>>> So in Python, a collection of functions (and classes) in a file forms
>>> a module and a collection of modules forms a package. In Java, a
>>> collection of methods forms a class and a collection of classes forms
>>> a package. In Factor, a file with words is a vocab but a collection of
>>> vocabs is what? :) Do we have a name for it?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mvh/best regards Bj?rn Lindqvist
>>>
>>>
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