Tom T comments interspersed: Akasha 108 questions Tom T: However, in recent posts you said Brahman has been attained. And in the past you talked a lot (as it appeared to me) about having attained Brahaman Consciousness. Has your interpretation of your experiences and understandings changed from those over the last year or so? Tom T: No, only deepened as I described in the second half of that post about the appreciation and intimacy. That led me to the experience that I have consummated my relationship with the totality. There is nothing that is not me and I am totality. Simple experience, hard to explain. Akasha108: I am all for simplicity of expression regarding experiences and undertandings. Putting labels on people doesnt seem either practical or useful. However, looking at the characterics, in and of themselves, of various sets of experiences and understandings has some value IMO. Your recent posts describing characteristics of your experiences and understandings raise a basic question in this regard. They seem to be, for the most part, articulations of CC turiya type experiences and understandings. Tom T: CC is from my understanding a state where there is still a little I that is silently witnessing all that is going on. There is no longer a little I to witness. There is the experience that all the processing is happening wherever the attention falls. No longer a central processing I to have a relationship with all that is happening. The attention, the processing and the experience are all the same. Akasha108: As Vaj said the other day -- something to the effect -- I just dont get the UC/BC aspect of these experiences. And Vaj has brought up numerous elements that traditionally are associated with BC/UC which don't seem enlivened in your experiences and understandings. Tom T: Don't know about those and they are not happening as that is not the path of this unit. What happens in the relative is of, for and by the relative. Sorry, your criteria just might be wrong or I fall outside the norm. In either case I don't need to fit into anyone else's definition. Akasha108: Your use of the term Brahman may be the stumbling block, for some, in understanding your posts. You characterize Brahman as the experiencer. That could be seen as a cc turiya experience. However the use of the term Brahman may have lead some, possibly you included, to interpret the turiya experience as BC. When you replace Brahamn with Atman or Inner Wakefulness or Consciousness or Self as the experiencer, it is consistent with most turiya descriptions. Can you interpret your experiences / understandings using some or all of these terms instead of Brahman? Tom T: Like I said above we may be on different pages of the akashic records. There is no small self here, there is no inner wakefulness. It is all out there. Every where I look it is me. It is all subject. Object shows up only when attention is paid. I also don't have a clue what the hell turiya means. If this is all me who the hell is left to witness, observe or take note. I am it all, experiencing myself as experience. I am not attached to this label. It is enough to share whatever I can for whomever this makes a difference for. You may call it what ever. I will in the future be carefull to fit into the prescribed definitions. Tom T
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