The celebration began a long time ago, unbeknownst to some beefed-up
arrogant bouncers patrolling the rope line -- as people walk, happily
and laughing -- through the open back door.
How many have had an experience of "no-doer"? Wow. Almost everyone.
(Peter faints --- the shock of it all. )
How many have had an experience during their first year of TM?
Wow!! Almost everyone.
How many, in the first few years of TM heard or read MMY talking about
this and it made experiential sense?
Holy Cow!! Almost everyone. Who would have known????
How many have had an eperience where the world appears to be whole and
still, even while it all contines to move and flow?
OH MY GOD!!!! Not everyone -- but so many people!
But Peter, if you really want to be the hall monitor and pass out hall
passess so people can refer to multiple experiential realities without
getting a detention -- and that actually makes you happy -- then go
for it. Or don't. Whatever.
The point still holds: if one talks about something from a basis of
experience to a person who has an experiential basis to understand it,
the conversation is meaningful to all -- except to the most arrogant
of elitist eavesdroppers. Which I am sure you are not.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don't start the celebrations too early. The point
> still holds: if you talk about something with no
> experiential context, the conversation is meaningless
> beyond entertainment.
> -Peter
>
> --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Great. Glad to hear it. And now the world won't be
> > burdened anymore
> > with nonesense admonitions about dharmas when there
> > are references to
> > similtaneous multiple levels of understnding about
> > soemthing. Its a
> > great day of celebration.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:.
> > > Thank you for setting me straight. I feel much
> > better.
> > > -Peter
> >
> > >
> > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > To be a bit more specific Peter, your dharma cop
> > > > role assumes most
> > > > people are fools. It assumes all people are like
> > > > woody allen's satire
> > > > / characture of himself as a kid in Annie Hall.
> > As
> > > > you remember, the
> > > > young 10 year old is brought to the psychiatrist
> > by
> > > > his mother because
> > > > Alvie won't do anything other than stare at
> > walls.
> > > > Alvie explains his
> > > > version of existential angst to the shrink, "the
> > > > universe is
> > > > expannding, which means one day it will explode
> > and
> > > > that
> > > > will be the end of everything."
> > > >
> > > > Some funny responses: His mother yells, "What
> > > > business is it of yours
> > > > what the Universe is doing??!!" And the shrink
> > > > explains in
> > > > condescending tones, "Don't worry Alvie,
> > Brooklyn is
> > > > not expanding."
> > > >
> > > > Your fear appears to be that everyone is an
> > Alvie,
> > > > that they will be
> > > > paralyzed into inaction if they dare recognize a
> > > > reality that is only
> > > > partially, though perhaps not yet eternally
> > > > recognized. People, their
> > > > associated reactive minds, intellects and
> > bodies,
> > > > are usually not that
> > > > dull as to sink into paralysis when realizing
> > > > conceptually, based on
> > > > experience -- even if it is not eternal
> > experience,
> > > > that there is no
> > > > doer. Or at a deeper level, there is no action.
> > > >
> > > > One can learn of how food is assimilated at
> > > > chemical, quantum
> > > > mechanical or even cosmological levels ("it
> > doesn't
> > > > amout to a hill of
> > > > beans" to quote another film) and yet still the
> > body
> > > > contines to eat
> > > > on the surface level. It is not shocked into
> > > > paralysis knowing its
> > > > just quantum soup drinking quantum soup.
> > > >
> > > > So your role playing dharmic high priest,
> > telling
> > > > people from what and
> > > > how they should interpret the world, is ITMBO
> > (in
> > > > this mind/body's
> > > > opinion) more something you are working out
> > > > internally, and does not
> > > > provide much useful real world guidance for
> > others.
> > > >
> > > > But everyone can and will decide on their own.
> > > > Besides, this is just
> > > > all quantum soup made from an insignificant hill
> > of
> > > > beans.
> > > >
> > > > --- your pal alvie (still crazy, but not
> > paralyzed,
> > > > after all these
> > > > years).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, I understand Peter.
> > > > >
> > > > > As long as you continue to comparmentalize
> > > > wholeness into little
> > > > > domains, and feel the need to keep tracking
> > our
> > > > different
> > > > > dharmas blazing in your mind, you will
> > continue to
> > > > feel the need to
> > > > > play dharma cop -- and to continue to cite
> > people
> > > > for your own
> > > > > internal vision of dharmic conflicts of the
> > One
> > > > Eternal Dharma.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cite away.
> > > > >
> > > > > As GH said: Beware of darkness. All things
> > must
> > > > pass.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> > > > Sutphen
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > Watch out Akasha, you're going to get a
> > dharma
> > > > fine!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > Peter
> > > > Sutphen
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When I started teaching TM in 1973,
> > National
> > > > > > > always
> > > > > > > > sent the correct percentage back and the
> > > > correct
> > > > > > > > percentage into my ATR account. That
> > lasted
> > > > for a
> > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > years until someone sucked the ATR
> > credit
> > > > account
> > > > > > > dry.
> > > > > > > > -Peter
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, for the mind/body aka Peter, there
> > was
> > > > no
> > > > > > > doer of the
> > > > > > > initiations, and thus no thief claiming
> > > > ownership of
> > > > > > > the action, and
> > > > > > > thus no thief claiming ownership of the
> > ATR
> > > > credit.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And the blazing Brahman mind/body aka MMY,
> > was
> > > > not a
> > > > > > > thief of the action
> > > > > > > of canceling all ATR credits.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thus it appears nature was working on
> > nature,
> > > > > > > adjusting karmic account
> > > > > > > consistent with Eternal Dharma. No thief,
> > no
> > > > victim,
> > > > > > > no foul.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So where in the Brahaman is the problem?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to:
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> >
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