Don't worry. You'll get it when there is no more eye.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And why, pray tell, did Patanjali give the definition > and formulas for sanyama in great detail and then tell > you not to do it? Something more is going on here than > meets the eye. > -Peter > > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 19, 2005, at 6:49 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > > Would you mind posting a few key verses for us? > > > > > > Sure, but it'll help to explain what going on. In > > the third chapter > > > Vidyaranya talks about the means to Cosmic > > Consciousness and this > > is by > > > "Dissolution of the Mind". The previous chapter is > > on how to > > obliterate > > > the vasanas and ignorance. Without going into a > > lot of detail--he > > > describes various methods to get the mind to stop. > > He talks of the > > > importance svadhayaya and right knowledge. > > Eventually he starts > > > interspersing his method with Patanjali--but like > > many initiated > > > approaches to tantric or yogic texts--the linear, > > written order of > > the > > > text is not how it really goes. In his typical > > style, he quotes > > from > > > all the relevant Vedantic and yogic texts > > interspersed with his own > > > clarifications. > > > > > > Eventually, as he weaves his way to the end of > > chapter two of > > > Patanjali--he goes into chapter 3--the pada on the > > siddhis. He > > mentions > > > the first three verses--which describe > > samadhi--and he deliberately > > > skips verse 4 on samyama (he does mention samyama > > in the final > > chapter, > > > but only as a warning). He then talks about the > > real goals, use and > > > purpose of samadhi then comments: > > > > > > "Although Patanjali has dwelt upon at length > > samprajnata and > > savikalpa > > > samadhis have their objects as material objects, > > gross elements and > > > subtle elements, sense and egoism--we do not like > > to pay attention > > to > > > them inasmuch as they being the cause of siddhis > > such as > > invisibility, > > > etc. as they are opposed to the type of samadhi > > that leads to > > > liberation." > > > > > > He gives an interesting quote from the Laghu > > Yogavasistha: > > > > > > Vasistha: 'Through the power of some substance, > > formula, some sort > > of > > > practice, time, etc. one can, O Raghava, acquire > > such occult powers > > as > > > levitation, etc. although still in bondage and > > ignorant of the Self. > > > > > > This object is not for him, who is knower of the > > Self, for he, the > > > knower of the Self, has in view only the Self. He > > is content by > > himself > > > and in himself and does not go after these > > products of ignorance." > > > > > > After a couple more interesting examples he adds: > > > > > > 'Any of the things of the world whatever cannot > > attract the knower > > of > > > Reality, even as the townsman, having as wife a > > town-bred lady of > > > refinement, is not enamored by the ugly rustic > > womenfolk.' > > > > > > He later concludes: > > > > > > As the samprajnata samadhi, concerned with the > > Self leads to the > > > destruction of desire and brings about the nirodha > > samadhi, > > therefore > > > we have paid attention to this." > > > > > > It's interesting that while he does quote from > > pada three of > > > Patanjali--not one of the quotes is any of the > > siddhi formulae--he > > > entirely skips them. He later warns you will never > > attain CC if you > > > practice samyama: > > > > > > In this way he (the samyama yogi) falls away from > > the attainment of > > the > > > goal of life (CC). > > > > > > Then he repeats Patanjali for a second time: > > > > > > "These are obstacles to samadhi; they are powers > > in the worldly > > state." > > > > it sounds that he comes from a dualistic POV not > > less then Patanjali. > > > > > > > > He continues with even more warnings. > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
