I couldn't help but notice that when I posted my
"take" on the recent discussions about what life 
and the "I" and such things are like after enlight-
enment, several people (Tom, Jim and Ron) reacted 
a bit...uh...reactively. It sounded to me as if 
they were a tad distressed by my suggestion that
NO description of enlightenment could ever be true
or correct.

To follow up a bit, I was *not* just being a con-
trarian or trying to push your buttons. I've thought
about this a great deal over the years. I've had a
number of enlightenment experiences, and not one of
them was exactly like any description of such exper-
iences I'd heard or read over the years, many of 
them coming from supposedly-enlightened beings. At
best they were crude approximations of the reality;
at worst they were completely off the mark.

I think that what may be going on is that a number
of people who paid their dues in the TM movement
don't realize how heavily they have been influenced
by Patanjali and his hangups. He may have *been*
enlightened. But he was also a Class A religious
fanatic. Given the politics of his day, he lobbied
heavily to "prove" Hinduism superior to any other
"competing" religions, and also to "prove" his
particular sect of it superior to all others. He
traveled around challenging others to verbal "duels"
to "prove" such things.

In my opinion, that is one of the major reasons that
TMers tend to believe that the descriptions they have 
been given of higher states of consciousness are 
accurate, or that such descriptions *can* be accurate.
TM springs very much from the Patanjali tradition, 
with its hangups about being "best," and about having
every word that the teacher utters be believed as
gospel, and as if it represents "truth."

I honestly believe that NO words attempting to 
describe enlightenment are true. The most that they
can *ever* be is someone trying to give a rough
approximation of an impression of what it's all
about. The map is *not* the territory. The words
used to describe enlightenment are *not* enlight-
enment.

And I can prove it.  :-)

Here's the challenge -- write something here on FFL
that is completely true.

I define, for the purpose of this challenge, some
statement that is true for all beings, in all periods
of time (past, present and future), in all contexts,
and when viewed from all states of consciousness.

I'll wait.  :-)

It's not an easy challenge. There was a kind of 
academic contest on the same subject a few years ago.
And *they* didn't even have to deal with the "from
all states of consciousness" rule that I threw in 
above. The best they could come up with was, 
"This too shall pass."

But add the state of consciousness rule, and from a
state of consciousness that embraces timelessness or
the non-existence of time, even "This too shall pass" 
is not true.

So have a go at it, eh? And if you are able to come
up with some statement -- any statement -- that is
true for all beings, in all periods of time, in all
contexts, and when viewed from all states of con-
sciousness, *then* come back and tell me how accurate
you believe the words of the supposedly enlightened
are when describing what it's like. I'll wait.



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