Hi Ron! As a rare visitor to this group (though very interested, since I spent 5 yrs in Fairfield), I may have missed something, but would you care to reveal who your Guru /what your Guru´s background is?
Thanks! Manohar --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Cognitions and revelations are what my guru had prior to enlightenment and also this > what s gave my Guru the understanding that enlightenment was there. As I said, there > was a time where my guru could know anything about something and other such things > > The point is- who is there to cognize something? > > My recolletions are Bevan worships MMY as persona, therefore it is the greatest Guru in > 10,000 years, and for example, on some walk MMY was having, all of the vedas or some > certain apsects of the vedas were cognized. This has to do with knowing something, > where as in Realization, the small self, the me, the identification of body and mind is > imploded, merged, it IS only ONE, not one with something > > My Guru, speaking from this knowing, informed me a few days ago that no, ccognitions > are not there for the enlightened, it also was from experiecne that with the cogitions and > revelations, my Guru thought she had arrived, but as long as there is a me cognizing, > there is further to go > > This is the significance of the Guru being there with the disciple, otherwise , the disciple > will go no further and this ends up being a sad thing. > > It is most likely the new age thing which people can relate to- it is there in sai Ma's web > sight- become a God, develope your full potential, choose enlightenment, etc. People can > relate to becoming a better me, gaining a cosmic ego > > People can not relate to no me, no ego, no self, only IS- then life flows > > Regarding the Kundalini comment from another post- Maybe it again is this paradoxal > thing. My guru explains that where shakti meets shiva, the kundalini journey is over. IN > enlightenment, yes, my Guru gives shatipat and shakti is kundalini. The thing is the > persona is no longer there so the enlightened experienceing Kundalini? > > All 3 enlightened in my path went through the kundalini journey- 2 of the 3 are gurus- > the other a sage- and it is an inspirational story for that one being on the path for only > one year, with 3 babies ( all under 4) and a housewife. > > The 2 gurus had very heavy kundlaini journeys, and having arrived in realization, are > extremely qualified to speak about Kundalini. Both independantly commented on MMY > comments about Kundalini and said it is one that knows nothing of the kundalini journey. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <sidha7001@> wrote: > > > > > > Response: > > > > > > I will ask my Guru to comment, as I have been saying, I am not > > enlightened. <snip> > > > > > Comment: If you or anyone else can explain to me how the Vedas can be > > > cognized *before* enlightenment, I owe you a nickel. Such a foolish > > > statement, which you have apparently swallowed hook, line and > > > sinker.:-) > > > > > I am not calling into question anything else regarding siddhis or > > other powers prior to enlightenment. All that is said about that, I > > agree with. Just the remark about the Vedas being able to be cognized, > > prior to permanent establishment in the Absolute.:-) > > >
