The first reference I can think of regarding world wars being planned all along would have been Albert Pike, the Freemason, who wrote of it back in the 1800's. But Judy would have dismissed that one out of hand as being "wacko conspiracy stuff" even if wealthy Europeans valued his advice.
Angela Mailander wrote: > Why would I smell a fish in your request for sources? Two reasons. Maybe > because you called me a Nazi? There is some past history in which you have > behaved very badly with me in my estimation, and I was told by others that it > isn't personal, that this is just your style of interacting with people. > Indeed, I've seen you do it with others, and I don't like it any better when > it is directed at them than when it is directed at me. It is simply > uncultured behavior and I have no wish to contribute to it in any way. > > The second reason I hesitated to give you a few names (you asked for > historians, not their work) is just because I am a scholar. Giving you a few > sources is an utterly inadequate substitute for ten years' worth of > scholarly research, and only someone who is not a scholar would even ask such > a thing. Giving you just a few names (or sources) leaves me completely open > to adverse criticism. > > If I thought you would actually read some books, then that would be > different; I could recommend where you might begin and how you might avoid > some of the dead ends I had to explore to get where I am. But I do not get > the sense that you wish to engage in any activity that would a) tend to > vindicate me, and b) educate yourself. > > The history of Nazi Germany has been suppressed by American academic > historians. There have been a few courageous souls who have published their > work anyway, risking their careers and livelihoods. If you really were > seriously interested in this question, rather than wanting to dismiss the > possibility of conspiracy out of hand without any serious investigation, then > I would begin with Gary Allen's "The Rockefeller Papers" and with Anthony > Sutton's "Wallstreet and the Rise of Hitler." His "Wallstreet and the > Bolshevik Revolution" would be another good choice. But again, these two > men would be a bare bones beginning. You could not draw any hard conclusions > based on their work alone. At a minimum, you would not only have to read > their books, you'd also have to follow up on all their sources, as I have > done. This would be a full-time assignment for a good semester's work. > Obviously, I am not under the illusion that you would do this kind of work in > order to learn that I > am not just talking through my hat. Yet, there is no other way to determine > whether or not I am. > > A conversation in a forum such as this is not a scholarly venue. I can > present my conclusions, but not the ten year process (which actually also > includes a life time of experience as someone born in Nazi Germany) that got > me where I am. So why talk about it at all? Because we are in danger as I > write of going down that road again. It may, in fact, be too late. But still > there is hope that, somehow, the American people won't walk into a fascist > regime as blindly as did the German people. The ten steps that Naomi Wolf > details are crude. By the time such things happen, it is almost too late. > What about the brain washing that passes for education and that leads up to > it being possible to fool a whole people into ignoring what is plain to see > right in front of their eyes? >
