I believe that consciousness is the substrate of creation, but that it is merely a PROCESS in the relative. The Absolute is not merely consciousness....even though consciousness is the bestestmostest symbol for the Absolute.
Ramana equated "mind" as merely "a thought happening" -- so his definition of consciousness treats "mind" and "thought" as the same "thing." I understand this to mean that awareness is an all time reality, but when a thought occurs, then it's like a dust mote has entered a sun-beam, and suddenly -- deluded -- we are convinced that the sun ALSO has appeared with the mote, but this is the basis of Maya which beguiles us into thinking that awareness is relative. That's my belief. Evidence is not needed for belief, right? That said, my evidence is my own experience of thoughtlessness. When thought -- especially conceptual thought -- is not "there," yet it can be found that there remains the "amness" process -- core soul, atma only -- and the Absolute. This is the experimental proof to me that "I-ness" is prior to "I am" which is prior to "I am _____." Existence precedes essence, right? But how to apprehend that which precedes existence? That quest is stymied by the fact that memory can only be of processes -- the Absolute cannot be remembered, and thus the big challenge of Maya is to transfer identification from "I-ness" to the Absolute, and the platform for this switch is "residing in amness." Grace from the Absolute during amness pulls off this feat. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm curious - how many people here believe > consciousness is the fundamental substrate > of creation? If you do, what evidence do you > put forth to back up your belief? > > I'm inclined to say consciousness is indeed > primary, and matter secondary, as Deepak > Chopra phrased it. But I can't cite any > really persuasive evidence from my own > experience to back up the belief. > > I'm not trying to persuade anyone here - > I just want to know what people in this > forum think. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > essay "Quantum Consciousness, Quantum Miracles, Quantum Failure." It's > > available here: > > > > http://www.geoffgilpin.com/pdfs/Quantum-Failure.pdf > > >
