No I didn't misunderstand you at all. You misunderstood my post though. :D But TM is a dead-end because you were only given a tiny part of the story. You seem to just parrot a very entry level of yogic meditation. There's so much more to learn but it isn't all "magic." In fact a lot of it is knowledge that you'll need glean from someone who has it. But one can spend lifetimes on the project so you probably have some more to go. ;-)
Hagen J. Holtz wrote: > You completely misunderstood me. I have never had the problem to doubt about > TM. My reproach is only that I had and still have to doubt in the capacity of > reasoning of certain TM-Teachers, because they were and are not able to apply > principles properly, because they are living in the delusion that they were > not allowed to think independently, because this act would be too gross > against the power of transcendence. But what they have to learn is, that > thinking under the influence of transcendece is an applicable and sharp tool > for gettimg progress and achieving ultimate enlightenment. > > So thanks for offering another method to me, but I am satisfied with the one > I have, and which so far had not been leading me to its dead end, just the > total opposite, I am starting to discover its wide-spread implications in > life more and more daily. > > Hagen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bhairitu > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: >>> Don't Take on The Karma of the Initiate > > > Every person's sadhana is unique. Therefore there is no way you can > guarantee anyone enlightenment. But you can promise them a path to > enlightenment. If you are worried about a dead end path as an > independent teacher do as I did and learn another path that is not dead > end and does not require an organization to support. For the most part > a proper technique will work for a lifetime (IOW, no advanced techniques > needed). For those more serious then there is the path of the disciple > (who is eligible to teach). > > TM by no means is the only game in town nor superior to almost any other > technique. > > Hagen J. Holtz wrote: > > I read this over and over again as an independent teacher and the more I > read it the more I am convinced that this only a romantic idea without > lasting reality in it, except that it tries to keep the herd together in fear. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: nablusoss1008 > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:19 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: >>> Don't Take on The Karma of the Initiate > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hagen J. Holtz" <> _a > > > meeting with him. Maharishi said to him in the strongest terms: ? > > Don? > > > t > > > you realize that when you initiate a person you are promising him > > > enlightenment and if you initiate him outside of the movement you > > are > > > taking that karma onto yourself and you will have to follow him > > > lifetime > > > after lifetime until the promise is fulfilled. When you initiate > > > under > > > the umbrella of the movement, the Holy Tradition takes on the karma > > > of > > > enlightening the person. > > > > All the socalled "independent teachers" should read this statement over > > and over again. Until they realize what they are doing to themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
