--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
 
> No, that's exactly what I mean, giving up the possibility of making
a
> judgement, or only the enlightened ones can judge (and they do).
After
> 20 or 30 years on the path maturity means deciding for oneself. 
Ever
> notice that quite a few people have made their most signifcant
> progress after leaving Maharishi - Amber Terrel, Susan Segal, all
the
> beakaway folks, SSRS etc... Maybe it's just growing up. Son becomes
a
> father, Student becomes a teacher. It happens.

In the case of Amber, she switched Guru's and she went exactly through
this kind of inner guidance *with* a teacher (Gangaji) I was talking
about. All glory to her and her guru.

I have no objection if somebody breaks away. I myself broke away.
Maybe some break away in the process of getting enlightened - fine, so
much so the better. But it doesn't mean that when you break away you
get enlightend or spiritually more mature (whatever that means.) I
wasn't speaking about not breaking away. I was speaking about the
situation when you are still *with* a Guru.

Maybe 'spiritually mature' is just a surrogat, giving meaning to your
disillussionment. Whatever you wanted in the first place didn't work
out, so you feel that you have advanced in some other ways.





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