--- On Sat, 8/30/08, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin Supports Teaching Creationism in 
> Schools
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 1:22 PM
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <drpetersutphen@> wrote:
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> > <snip>
> > > Every semester in my classes I always use
> Darwin's theory of
> > > natural selection/evolution as an example to
> illustrate what
> > > a theory is and how theories work. I try to show
> how science
> > > is grounded in empiricism and not metaphysics.
> > 
> > But do you make the point that the theor(ies) of
> reality on
> > which science is based is (are) fundamentally
> metaphysical?
> >
> Judy,
> 
> That's a heavy question and maybe loaded as well.  The
> pat answer 
> should be that science is based on observable facts,
> meaning that 
> reasoning and logic are involved in analyzing the results
> of 
> experiments.  There should be no metaphysics involved in
> science.
> 
> Metaphysics belongs in the realm of philosophy which
> concerns with 
> ideas and meanings that have not been validated by science.
> 
> However, given the progress of science these days,
> particularly in 
> subatomic physics, the limits of measurable phenomena have
> been 
> reached.  There comes a point where scientists have
> concluded that 
> matter cannot be measured anymore.  Thus, they've
> reached reached the 
> end of observable matter and the beginning of
> consciousness.
> 
> Presently, some physicists are asking: what happened before
> the Big 
> Bang?  I don't believe they can answer this question in
> scientific 
> terms.
> 
> JR 

Nice response, John. I teach at a community college (aka, glorified high 
school) so the majority of the students don't even have a basic grasp of the 
difference between science and philosophy. That's pretty sad, but its the 
non-metaphysical truth! 



 
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