Re: [FairfieldLife] TM "grad school?"

Thu, 23 Jun 2005 01:14:47 -0700



So this has me wondering whether any counterpart of this
type of knowledge and teaching has appeared in the TM
movement.  While I was around, certainly no TM teacher
had ever been trained in how to talk to someone who was
having enlightenment experiences.  Has this changed? 
Does anyone know whether there are a group of teachers
who *have* been taught how to teach those who are having
such experiences?
 
-------On the basis of the vagaries you just put to print I would suggest that this set of instructions doesn't exist in the Tibetan either except insofar as in your mind. 
 
If you are so sure that such a thing exists then you need to supply us credulous dopes with at least a partial list of titles of the teadhings so that we may ascertain for ourselve if such teachings were ever committed to print.
 
My disbelief comes as a result of positing that there is such a thing or its equivalent as CC in the Vajrayana.  For instance, the real analogy in the Vajrayana for enlightenment would be ascertaining the Trikaya which would be much more like Vedic Cognition. And this would be really just the start of clear experience of shunyata.
 
The only real thing I can think which might be like what you mention was always freely available in the Madhiyatmikavatara, and that is the description of the bhumis. 
 
Of course in the Guhyagarbha there are a further five bhumis pertaining to Dzogchen that are not considered in the Mahayana. 
 
Does your friend suggest some other levels perhaps beyond these? 
 
I laugh at your naivete. I see now why you were a TM teacher, because you'll accept any fodder and sell it as high powered gasoline for Ferraris.


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