On Jan 12, 2009, at 10:49 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
given the two respective approaches to established samadhi, the Buddhist one where every t is crossed and every i dotted, as compared with the TM simplicity of take it as it comes, i doubt a Buddhist would even recognize, except at the silent level the continuous samadhi of a TMer.
Please go learn the TM checking procedure and then get back to us Dawn. Thanks.
Rick has told an interesting story of MMY meeting a teacher whose students could go into effortless and imperturbable samadhi. Mahesh opined 'one day my students will be able to do that'. They still cannot (or I guarantee you, they'd be shouting it from every rooftop). What more is there to say? Of course I remain open to the one day being the case.
Actually Buddhist meditation methods jive quite well with those of Patanjali and the Hindu tantras. Real yogis don't tend to perseverate over all the differences and distinctions between doctrine, their methods, it turns out, are often quite similar. After all, ole Patanjali was a Nath! Many ancient Buddhist teachings contain the techniques of rishis.
it is offensive to hear you speak this way "vaj", and then hide behind the crude instruments of science to make your point and ensure your bias.
You shouldn't fear science. Science is very helpful, esp. in modern society. For example, if one can verify actual states of refined attention scientifically, one can then apply them to children with attentional disorders (e.g. ADHD) and then determine if they can help these kids avoid the necessity of pharmaceutical therapies. So science in meditation research should not be feared Dawn, as it has the potential to help alleviate suffering when applied with honesty and integrity. But it does need to be applied with honesty and integrity.
