--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <wg...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "David Palmer" davidpalmer108@ wrote: > > > > Yoga Sutras says that the Kleshas (mental thorns, obstacles to experience of aatmaa) are removed by effort and indifference, or application and non-attachment, abhyaasa vairaagyaabhyaam tan nirodhah. > > Or, as Maharishi would say, by an effortless effort.
It is the vrittis (states of the mind, types of thought), not the kleshas, that are obstructed by effortless effort. Apologies for my poor memory. > > Jai Guru Dev > > First one has to achieve progress in Yoga (or samadhi) before the kleshas can be removed, that's the object of the other limbs of Patanjali's Ashtanga Yoga. > > By bringing the arrow back on the bow and achieving the full power of the mind and shooting it in the direction of *natural law* one obtains freedom. One compliments the other, without the outer guidance and support, the inner experience becomes absent or weakened. > > Patanjali devised *8*, read em', EIGHT limbs or means to Yoga, not just one! MMY was referring the the method of meditation itself (effortless effort) and not the overall subject of removal of the kleshas, if you're waiting for TM to 'kick in' you'll be waiting a long time for it to heal you, why not put you life in harmony with the laws of nature as well as meditate? This is what Patanjali is recommending for speedy progress to Yoga. > > Of course, if you're just interested in a little rest and a little inspiration now and then, then just keep what you're doing. Patanjali's recommendations are for serious students only! (TM is Yoga-lite for modernity) > > As MMY so accurately said (years ago when no one was looking), "...Each limb is designed to create the state of Yoga in the sphere of life to which it relates". Gita/on Yoga > > You're only getting a half a loaf my friend with TM the was it is being taught, if you're serious you'll look more deeply into the teaching of Yoga as prescribed by Patanjali and others....... > Yes Billy, I agree absolutely, you are totally right. But isn't it true that we do things related to all 8 limbs already in the TM programme. Which limbs do you feel we are neglecting?
