A question, Shemp, do you have even one wife?  Or are you one of the 
many TM brahmacharis? :-D


ShempMcGurk wrote:
> POLYGAMY AROUND THE CORNER
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> REAL Women of Canada - (Realistic, Equal, Active, for Life)  
>    
> Conservative leader, Stephen Harper, and Liberal MP, Tom Wappel, were 
> ridiculed during the same-sex marriage debate last spring when they claimed 
> that the same-sex marriage bill would lead to demands for the legalization of 
> polygamous unions. It turns out, however, that they were right on the mark. 
>
> Same-sex marriage in Canada has only been legal for about six months, but 
> already the demands for polygamy have been creeping out from the dark shadows 
> and are gradually moving onto centre stage. The issue will soon be before the 
> courts in BC. 
>
> This court case will result from a situation in the community of Bountiful, 
> situated near Creston, BC, in the interior of the province, that has been the 
> home of a renegade branch of the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons). This 
> community's beliefs include polygamy as one of its tenets. It argues that 
> polygamy is a legitimate way of life and marriage. The leader of the 
> community and his assortment of wives have boldly appeared on TV, radio and 
> in print, unabashedly discussing their joy and happiness about being in 
> polygamous relationships and all the supposed advantages, (obviously for the 
> male at least!) The Attorney General of BC, Wally Oppal, has merely blushed 
> and looked the other way, and has not prosecuted the leader of the polygamous 
> community. Why? Because he knows that with the passing of the same-sex 
> marriage legislation, and the protection of religion in the Charter, there 
> has been created serious legal problems for the Crown in prosecuting such a 
> case. That is, to lay a charge of polygamy will be dangerous, since the 
> courts could then follow the identical arguments heard once in the trumped 
> up, same-sex marriage court challenges in 2003. 
>
> Provincial Attorney General, Oppal, would have happily continued to ignore 
> the polygamous business in Bountiful except for the fact that the Attorney 
> General of Utah, Mark Shurtleff, came calling on him in late November 
> demanding that something be done, as girls as young as 13 years of age have 
> been crossing the border from Utah into Bountiful to be married off to much 
> older men. Another troublesome issue is that some of the polygamous wives in 
> Bountiful have begun to complain about their treatment and their lack of 
> consent to their "marriage" arrangements. Also, young men have been ejected 
> from the Community in order to avoid a competition for young wives with the 
> older leaders in the community. 
>
> As a result of these problems, the RCMP has recently undertaken an 
> investigation of Bountiful. Based on the RCMP's findings, the Provincial 
> Attorney General may then be obliged to lay charges against the leaders of 
> the polygamous sect in Bountiful. 
>
> New Debate on Polygamy 
>
> If so, a new debate on marriage, to legalize polygamous marriages will hit 
> the public eye. The exact same arguments, that were used to recognize 
> same-sex partnerships as legal marriages, will be heard again. One of these 
> arguments will be that the failure to approve polygamous marriage is due to 
> the stereotypical treatment causing historical disadvantages against people 
> who love each other. Another argument will be that since the courts have 
> conceded that procreation no longer provides sufficient reason to restrict 
> marriage to heterosexuals, then there is no reason to restrict marriage to 
> other sexual arrangements as well. 
>
> And why not? Take marriage away from its historically recognized essence of 
> one man and one woman, and there is no logical reason to restrict other 
> marital arrangements, such as those who love two women, or bisexuals who have 
> a sexual desire for both sexes. The fact that these arrangements are 
> currently prohibited under the Criminal Code is no argument because 
> homosexual conduct was also illegal until relatively recently. The laws 
> against polygamy can also be similarly changed. 
>
> What a mess the courts have created! In their zeal to be liberal and 
> progressive and to make the world aware of their trailblazing spirit, the 
> Canadian judges have made fools of themselves and us. They are also tearing 
> down the foundations of society, while establishing a dangerous precipice on 
> which the institution of marriage is now tilting. 
>
> Polygamy Established Elsewhere 
>
> Canada, however, isn't the only nation facing the problem of polygamous 
> marriages. For example, Norway's Directorate of Immigration has reported 
> that, despite the illegality of polygamy in Norway, it is becoming 
> increasingly prevalent, since Norway liberalized the "marriage" laws by 
> allowing legal civil unions for same-sex couples. Now Norwegian men travel 
> abroad to meet and marry women, where polygamy is legal. Then they bring 
> their new "wives" to Norway to live together under legal civil unions, in 
> one, happy, polygamous harem. 
>
> The Netherlands 
>
> The Netherlands is experiencing this problem in a very big way. In September 
> 2005, the government approved a polygamous union when a Dutch man and two 
> women were given a license for their three-way legal union. The male in the 
> union claims that, since both of his "wives" are bi-sexual, there is no 
> jealousy between them - they're all just happily loving one another. 
>
> Ill Effects of Same-sex Marriage 
>
> The common theme when same-sex marriage was argued last spring in Canada was 
> that the Netherlands had experienced no ill effects from same-sex marriage 
> and that the issue was no longer contentious there. 
>
> Had the actual situation in the Netherlands been disclosed, however, the 
> story would have been much different. It would have disclosed that there has 
> been a substantial increase in out-of-wedlock births and parental 
> cohabitation as a result of the legalizing of same-sex marriages in that 
> country. 
>
> That is, the broad Dutch acceptance of same-sex marriage, which detached 
> marriage as an institution from parenthood in the public mind, has led to 
> substantial changes in Dutch society. In addition same-sex marriages have 
> also now started the Netherlands down the slippery slope to group marriage. 
> The Dutch Minister of Justice, Piet Hein Donner, recently refused to ban 
> group marriages as he states that multi-partner marriage contracts serves a 
> "useful regulating function". In short, it is difficult to withhold equal 
> standing for another organized sexual minority once same-sex marriage is 
> accepted. 
>
> Polygamy in the US 
>
> The pressure for group marriage has also started in the US. The Unitarian 
> Church, headquartered in Boston, played a key role in the legalization of gay 
> marriage in Massachusetts. That church has now begun to promote public 
> acceptance of polygamy and polyamory, (which refers to open stable 
> relationships among more than two people, blending heterosexuality, 
> homosexuality and bisexuality). Unitarian ministers in the US are already are 
> performing "joining ceremonies" for polyamorous families. 
>
> Status on Polygamy in Canada 
>
> With the overlapping of same-sex marriage rights and the co-habitation 
> contracts such as occurs in Holland, it was understandable that the Canadian 
> Department of Justice and the Status of Women a year ago at a cost of 
> $150,000 commissioned four separate studies on polygamy. The attention 
> grabber paper on these studies was released in the middle of January this 
> year. It was written by three feminist / lesbians, law professors at Queens 
> University. These same individuals were among consultants retained by the Law 
> Commission in its report "Beyond Conjugality" tabled in the House of Commons 
> on December 2001. That Commission's report recommended that all close 
> relationships should be recognized by law, not just the relationship of a man 
> and woman in marriage. The Commission recommended also, of course, that 
> same-sex marriage be legalized. In their study of polygamy, the three 
> consultants advocated decriminalization of polygamy and urged that Canada, 
> allow immigration by polygamous families. They also argued that Canada's 
> current prohibition against polygamy in the Criminal Code may well be 
> unconstitutional. Their study unfortunately, gave little attention to the 
> children of such polygamous unions and the fact that polygamous families are 
> plagued by spouse abuse, poverty and fathers not involved in the care of 
> their children - apparently, not issues for these feminist / lesbians. 
>
> Justice Minister Cotler Misinforms Committee on May 12, 2005 
>
> In view of his department commissioning several studies on polygamy, it was 
> disingenuous of the Liberal Minister of Justice, Irwin Cotler, to argue in 
> his testimony before the House of Commons Committee studying the same-sex 
> marriage legalization, on May 12, 2005 that polygamy, incest, etc. will not 
> result from the passage of Bill C-38, since "bigamy and incest are criminal 
> offences in Canada. That is the law of the land. That will not change." 
> Perhaps Mr. Cotler believes Canadians were easily confused by his statements. 
> Common sense tells us that if the government could make the revolutionary 
> change in the definition of marriage, by opening it up to two "persons," 
> regardless of their sex, then it is perfectly capable of making further 
> amendments to the legislation at a later date for polygamy. That is, the 
> courts may well find polygamous or group marriage an equality right on the 
> grounds of the criteria for "equality" chosen by the Supreme Court of Canada 
> in Law v. Canada [1999] I.S.C.R. 497. That is, when a person "feels" 
> demeaned, by his or her exclusion from a law then the law is discriminatory. 
> Why cannot that same criterion be applied to polygamy, incest, etc.? 
>
> Perhaps, also, Mr. Cotler was not aware that advocates of polyamory (group 
> marriage) are taking their cue from the movement for gay marriage which is 
> now the favourite cause of scholars of family law (see The New York 
> University Review of Law and Social Change: "Monogamy's Law: Compulsory 
> Monogamy and Polyamorous Existence 2004," Volume 29. Number 2). Polyamorists 
> have long treated their inclination toward multi-partner sex as analogous to 
> homosexuality. In short, the arguments for the logic of gay marriage extend 
> to state sanctioned polyamory as well. 
>
> The truth is, by keeping the label and the legal status of marriage, but 
> changing its meaning and concept, in the legalizing of same-sex marriages, 
> this necessarily involves rejection of what marriage actually means and has 
> meant for millennia. Marriage then means everything and includes anything and 
> this means nothing. 
>
> Polygamy can and will become a serious problem for Canadians in the future.  
>    
> realwomenca.com
> Originally published February, 2006 
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