On Mar 12, 2010, at 6:09 AM, cardemaister wrote:

It seems to me Maharishi thinks the slowing down and occasional
stoppage of breathing during TM is what PataƱjali means by caturthaH
(praaNaayaamaH), because that prolly is (almost?) the conditio sine qua non of dhaaraNaa (the first "part" of saMyama).


He unfortunately wasn't much of an authority. Please remember the angas of mantra yoga are very different from the angas of Patanjali.

Remember the 4th pranayama is done with out respect to length of time and can be performed at will. In other words, it implies a profound mastery not seen in many people, let alone in TM meditators.

It's not an easy skill to learn and definitely should not be confused with TMer's apnea episodes.

It's also important to remember that TM proponents like to push vague suggestions without knowledge of what they're implying regarding minute changes or fabricated ideas. They think it's good for the brand.

Can you site a source where Maharishi associates the brief apnea episodes with the fourth pranayama? You do know they were caught trying to use people with known central sleep apnea, right?

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