--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. > > > > > > > > "Disbelief games"? > > > > I think, Unc, that you're the one playing head games > > when you claim > > to have experienced "real" levitation and then, one > > post later, upon > > questioning, qualify the claim. > > > > Either you did or you didn't. > > > > It sounds to me like you're playing a game of > > spiritual-one- > > upmanship: I'm special...I've actually experienced > > someone > > levitating. > > I've read through all these posts in this exchange and > I can't find a hint of this > "spiritual-one-upsmanship". What are you talking about > Shemp? Unc is talking about his experinece and then > considering the possibility that there was some sort > of subjective element involved in the perception of > the levitation. He's being honest. What's the big > deal?
The "subjective element involved in the perception of the levitation" came later, which should have, in my opinion, come first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > May I suggest that if you have, indeed, experienced > > such a thing > > that you keep it to yourself instead of bragging to > > everyone that > > you experienced something that 5,000 years of > > recorded human history > > would come to a standstill if even the remotest > > possible proof was > > offered to its reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't prove my experience to you, just as you > > would > > > not be able to prove what you would consider a > > "real" > > > experience of levitation if it had happened to > > you. I > > > get it...you don't want to believe this is true. > > > > > > There are a few websites out there where people > > who > > > studied with Rama have written about their > > experiences. > > > The one that put up my book, Ramalila.com, has a > > bunch > > > of such stories. Alternately, here's a link to a > > PDF version > > > of a book we (his students) wrote about studying > > with him. > > > One of my stories is in there, but under a > > different name > > > because they published it using pseudonyms for > > every- > > > one, for privacy reasons. > > > > > > http://www.imeditate.com/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf > > > > > > I'm posting the link knowing that you'll never > > read it. > > > You aren't interested in what really happened, > > only in > > > what you want to believe happened. So believe > > that. > > > Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it > > doesn't > > > affect me in any way. > > > > > > Look for proof on your own time. I am content > > with my > > > personal experience. > > > > > > Unc > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "shempmcgurk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "shempmcgurk" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe > > to be the > > irrelevant > > > > > > parts of your response and leave in the > > parts I want to > > address. > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you experience it only once? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. Many times. As did most of the > > other students who > > > > > > > studied with the guy. I will also > > emphasise, for the > > record, > > > > the > > > > > > > word "most." Some people (10-15) never > > saw anything; > > > > > > > others (1000s over the years, sometimes > > 500 at once) saw > > > > > > > this stuff all the time. Therefore, it > > would appear to be > > a > > > > > > > phenomenon that is not entirely physical, > > and takes place > > > > > > > at least to some extent on subtle physical > > levels. If > > you're > > > > > > > asking whether it was ever recorded on > > film, I don't think > > > > > > > so, and I don't know whether it could have > > been. But it > > was > > > > > > > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and > > as a field of > > > > > > > energy to be part of. The latter was the > > real benefit of > > > > > > > being around someone who is doing this, > > IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because some people saw this phenomenon > > and others > > > > > > > in the same room did not, I have my doubts > > that it would > > > > > > > have been captured on videotape. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will also admit, for the same reasons, > > that there might > > have > > > > > > > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, > > in which > > people's > > > > > > > perceptions were altered to allow them to > > see a phenomenon > > > > > > > that might not have been present on a > > physical level. But > > > > > > > there was never any suggestion of what was > > about to happen. > > > > > > > The most he'd ever say was, "Watch." He > > never said *what* > > > > > > > to watch for, and levitation was only one > > of the siddhis > > he was > > > > > > > good at, so there was no telling what, if > > anything, was > > going > > > > > > > to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, > > and everyone who > > > > > > > saw it agreed on what was seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said > > above with what you > > > > > > originally wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air > > levitation." > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you would agree with me when I > > conclude that you > > have > > > > NOT > > > > > > witnessed "real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air > > levitation" as you > > first > > > > > > claimed. > > > > > > > > > > No, I have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you didn't. > > > > > > > > If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the > > possibility that it may > > have > > > > been the result of some other sidhi or that you > > had your doubts > > that > > > > it could have been captured on videotape. > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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