--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <geezerfr...@...> wrote: > > Yep, and that's the crux of it, isn't it? For me, that's what makes discussing this aspect of MMY's life so fascinating. > > He can't be seen in black or white terms and that is something that really comes out in Judith's book. Or, as I think she puts it: separating the "Maha" from the "Rishi". > > Was he a great seer or a failed monk who became overly attached to money, especially as his family began to become more and more demanding in this regard. Or....is the truth that he was all of these things?
I think many, or even most people here accept this, and have long accepted it. But you have some, who seem to want it only one way and are pretty much ready to pounce if you start sounding a little too positive about the whole experience. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" feste37@ wrote: > > > > > > > > And yet he changed so many people's lives for the better -- indeed, rescued many lives, mine included. He figured out a way of reaching me, a confused 17-year-old high school drop out, and giving me something that permanently turned my life around. I guess all the more "qualified" yogis were sitting around in India being very learned and doing whatever it is that "real" yogis do. Maharishi, on the other hand, actually decided to make a difference in real people's lives all across the world. Great seer? You bet. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vajradhatu108 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "randyanand" <ra108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Its true. And somehow he thinks he knows everything about > > > > > Maharishi's time with Guru Dev and is an expert in that area > > > > > also. He appears to really believe that all Maharishi was > > > > > during that time was a glorified clerk running errands. > > > > > > > > NOT to get into the "Bash the Maharishi critic > > > > rather than deal with the issue" fest or anything, > > > > but I believe this, too, *based on Maharishi's > > > > own accounts*. In my experience he never claimed > > > > anything else. > > > > > > > > "Anything else" was invented IMO by hanger-ons who > > > > were trying to invent justifications for putting MMY > > > > up on a pedestal. > > > > > > > > While it's true that Vaj has a thing for being right, > > > > it IS good to remember that only one of the three > > > > names in Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is deserved; the rest > > > > were invented, to better market to the West, where > > > > they have neither the criteria for telling whether > > > > a "spiritual title" is deserved or not, nor the > > > > desire to find out. This is all about "Protect the > > > > importance of the guy I hung out with for so long > > > > so that I can cling to *my* importance in having > > > > gotten to hang with him" IMO. > > > > > > > > I'd have more respect for the TM crowd *or* those > > > > who want to preserve their good feelings about MMY > > > > if they just did what Joe suggested -- read the > > > > friggin' book and then discuss it rationally, with- > > > > out trying to diss the writer or those who believe > > > > her vs. the TMO version. My only point so far in > > > > all of this is that the *immediate* reaction of > > > > some is to try to diss the writer; the *immediate* > > > > reaction of others is to try to diss those who > > > > believe her. > > > > > > > > > Exactly. > > > > > > And Mahesh looks like the only title left standing. > > > > > > What I'm noticing, besides the obvious denial of the TM fans, is that it is not obvious to them that once the farce of being a monk fails, there are certain other things that either naturally come into question or themselves fall by the wayside as his blatant lack of integrity is revealed. > > > > > > It's interesting because despite all the talk about maya in TM-circles, it shows that there is no way to be "effortlessly" free of our own delusions. In fact deciding to be some part of any 'spiritual group' almost seems to insure that you'll embrace some of their delusions in the process. > > > > > >
