Unless "you" have experienced the non-doership of pure consciousness it is impossible to conceptualize what this is. It just will not make any sense at all and will lead, quite naturally, to all sorts of of ethical conundrums. You, Yifuxero no more do anything than MMY does anything. Although this understanding has absolutely no application for the dharma of waking state where doership is the order of the day with all sorts of ethical and moral choices.
--- On Mon, 8/30/10, yifuxero <yifux...@yahoo.com> wrote: > From: yifuxero <yifux...@yahoo.com> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the karma of a jivanmukti? > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 11:41 PM > Interesting but speculative of course > since nobody knows for sure (and nobody seems to know that, > and so on...). > I disagree that there's no doer. Adi Da's metaphysics is > simpler and avoids the enigma of a "doer" since before E., > the doer is the body/mind along with the false > identification. > ... > After E. the "doer" is simply the body/mind. > If we were to accept the hocus-pocus about not being a > doer, then we'd be forced to conclude that MMY's actions > were in a state of non-doership! (which seems pretty > far-fetched). > ... > This of course assumes that he was in Unity. That being so, > and if one is still looking for a phoney rationalization; we > could say that MMY's actions (the Feet of Clay part); were > simply sprouted plants of seeds already sown before the > events. > .... > imo: a more reasonable explantion imo is that notion of a > non-doer is a lot of baloney; and MMY (in spite of being in > Unity); simply carried on sowing new seeds and spilling a > lot of them along with way....just like ordinary people. > ... > Thus, an alternative hypothesis: as long as people > are embodied, regardless of their state of Consciousness re: > Jivan-Mukti; they are still sowing new seeds, growing infant > plants, and reaping the rewards of cause and effect just > like everyone else. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "emptybill" <emptyb...@...> wrote: > > > > > > Sanchit karma is the stored reserve of karmic > sanskara-s. Rather than > > being just imprints, sanskara-s are described as being > the seeds for > > further actions. However, when a person liberates > (jivan-mukta) from > > misidentification, these seeds are said to be "burned" > and > > unable to germinate. This is said to be a final state > – no more > > necessity for rebirth. > > > > This is a agricultural metaphor and is a useful way to > consider the idea > > of living liberation. However, what is not considered > is the remaining > > cause and effect relationship between those former > actions and their own > > specific results/effects. > > > > What happens to those effects? The doer is gone … a > mere fiction > > that has now disappeared from the arena of actions and > their results. > > Even before that happens, the yogin/yogini realizes > that the guna-s only > > interact among themselves. Yet, up until complete > liberation, there were > > causal actions being performed (even right up to > liberation) that will > > effectuate in the future. The final, manifest effects > of these > > seed-samskaras however cannot be explained by this > metaphor since a > > cause without an effect is philosophically > meaningless. > > > > Thus the question … "who" gets the consequences of > actions > > performed by an individual when that person no longer > exists and will > > not be reborn at all … not even in some heavenly > world? > > Saying "everyone" somehow gets a little bit of that > left over > > karma is a statement that fails to understand the > question. > > Moral/immoral karma is not simply some kind of > "consequence" > > which everyone can receive – as if it was just like > rain on a cloudy > > day. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > >
