--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Alex Stanley wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone actually awakened as a result of using this technology? > > > > I wonder. > > > > Alex, yours is the question I find myself asking about > > any new thing I hear about. The fact that people are > > awakening by whatever means has caused me to lose > > patience for "life will be great at some future date" ideologies. > > > > For example, a friend is studying the Course in > > Miracles with Robert Perry, a respected teacher of > > that program. Well, the Course has been around > > since the mid-1960s. What's its record for generating > > the results it promises? One of these days I'll have > > my friend ask Perry. > > I have offended some people on other spiritual forums > ( I'm sure you're all surprised to hear this :-) by talking > about the three questions I ask of any spiritual teacher > I meet these days. I have asked these questions of quite > a few people so far, with rather interesting results. They > are the questions I feel that I *should* have asked before > embarking on past long-term spiritual studies. > > So far, almost no one has been offended by being asked > these questions. One of the only teachers who was > offended was later arrested for fraud, and is now doing time > in a New Mexico prison. Go figure. So anyway, the three > questions I ask (preferably in private, but if that is not > possible, in a public forum): > > 1. When you speak about enlightenment, are you speaking > from your own personal experience with enlightenment? > > 2. Have any students who follow the path you teach realized > their own enlightenment? > > 3. If the answer to #2 is yes, can you point them out to me > and allow me to speak to them? > > So far, most of the teachers have been honest enough to > answer "No" to questions #1 and #2. A few have answered > "Yes" to #1 and (very sadly) "No" to #2. The teacher who is > now in prison answered "Yes" to the first two questions and > threw me out of the room when I asked #3. I still haven't > encountered anyone who answered "Yes" to all three > questions. But I haven't stopped asking, which probably > makes me an incurably hopeful romantic, but there you > jolly well are, aren't you? >
Well, let's see: MMY won't answer #1 for reasons that appear plausible to me. He's instructed his students not to answer #2, at least inpublic, so you're out of luck with #3. OTOH, *in private*, TM researchers have taken physiological and psychological measures of many people who report witnessing for 24/7 for years at a time. Unless you're going to claim that the TM researchers are making up stories about these people, or that these people, who are willing to discuss things in private that they won't in public, are making up stories, it seems obvious that many people who have practiced TM for a long time ARE enlightened, at least to the point of long-term (years at a time) episodes of CC. Sorry to disappoint. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
