On 02/12/2011 03:00 PM, wayback71 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu<noozguru@...> wrote: > >> Gerald Celente predicts a total collapse and that we'll wind up with a >> simpler way of living with locally grown food and locally manufactured >> goods. > Does Gerald have a time frame for this big collapse? I checked out his > website and could not find that. I know James Kelleher (jyotishi) says there > will be terrible trouble on the planet about 2020 - a hefty percentage of the > population will die.
Dependent on the economy and dollar's demise. 2014 sticks in my mind but he may be thinking sooner. There are quite a few video interviews with Celente on YouTube. He's not an astrologer but watches trends and gets a lot of things right. > I've even envisioned abandoned Walmarts being turned into local >> bazaars. In order for this to happen the elite have to go bankrupt too >> which would have happened two years ago had we not bailed out the >> banks. Things would have been rough for a while but not as bad as a >> crash now. > Simpler, you bet, but more than that. People will eventually need to move, > and be near water and soil that can grow food and living on high ground. > And be part of a community that is organized and creates safety. The > Mitigation efforts (changing how we live so as to reduce climate change - > reducing carbon emmissions, lifestyle changes) is now only one part of the > issue. The other is called Adaptation, which is figuring out how to live > when the change hits, which it will. Adaptation assumes there will be > terrible and disruptive consequences from global warming and that we need to > have really well-thought out plans - hopefully on a governmental level -to > climate change. And Adaptation assumes that we need to get going on these > plans now, as we do for Mitigation, of course. > > Until recently Adaptation talk was hated by environmentalists because there > was a fear that the adaptation efforts would suck energy and interest from > the need for mitigation, that people would skip the hard part of mitigation > and move on to think of how they were going to adapt for themselves and their > families. Now most environmentalists are on board that both are needed and > needed yesterday. > > The thing is, we aren't talking about 2100 any more, things are happening now > and much faster than anyone had anticipated. And when people start to "get > it" - that the old days are over and we might not even make it as a species > and this will likely happen in the lifetime of their children - I think there > will be real pandemonium unless we feel understood by and confidence in > something (government, community, what?). The whole thing is a mess, and I > try not to think or read about, but then get back into it. Hot is a good > book because at least so far it is not entirely doom and gloom - the author > has ideas for adaptation. He's the one who has dual citizenship for his > daughter in The Netherlands so as to protect her life. He been a climate > writer for 2 decades and knows his stuff. Mark Hertsgaard. Lives in northern > California, part of which he says will be flooded by sea level rises. > > The real scary stuff is the possible runaway events (one example is when > permafrost melts and releases tons and tons or carbon and methane into the > atmosphere and creates runway warming) - stuff like that. Another example is > when the ice sheets melt, the dark water will absorb much more heat than the > ice and snow (which reflected heat back and off the earth). The warmed ocean > water will change loads of events down stream, so to speak. > > Enough, this is becoming an obsession!! Sorry if it is boring and depressing. > Probably would not be the first civilization to disappear in the cosmos because of ignorance nor possibly even here on earth. But maybe people will wise up in time.
