An excellent point Jim, along those lines I realized the value of ancient Indian wisdom's insistence on dharma, not that it leads to an awakening necessarily but is tremendously important after it. It's quite possible to indulge in socially unacceptable activities after awakening because of this non-attachment so having right samskaras before it helps tremendously. I wish I had this knowledge before :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@...> wrote: > > It occurs to me that just as oxymoronic is the ability to immerse ourselves > so dynamically in thoughts, words and action specifically because there is no > possibility of attachment to them. :-) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" <raviyogi@> wrote: > > > > Well stated, thoughts are just floating around so for me a thought free > > experience seems to be an oxymoron. Its something you would tap into and > > feed if needed. Insisting on a thought free experience shows the > > attachment to the thoughts, like fighting against darkness. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Samadhi once established is not exclusively a thought free experience. > > It can be, but not really necessary. It is an abiding peace under > > whatever circumstances, thoughts or no thoughts. That's the point; all > > aspects of life enlivened by samadhi. > > > > > > We can isolate Samadhi if we want to, call it TC, or PC, or hook up > > electrodes to the body and "prove" its existence momentarily in > > somebody's physiology. But we still don't know if that person lives a > > life of abiding peace. > > > > > > We don't know anything about their integrated life - what they think, > > feel, and act like on any given day or night. Isn't that "It" - instead > > of Samadhi, glistening and glowing from within, at mind's length in its > > shiny glass case? :-) > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 7, 2011, at 5:59 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > Like you, I do not consider the short blips of no > > > > > thought experienced in TM "transcendence," let alone > > > > > samadhi. Possibly like you, they are no longer short > > > > > for me, or rare. I can invoke them pretty much any > > > > > time I want, and usually for as long as I want. But > > > > > I don't even bother that often, unless I'm practicing > > > > > a specific form of meditation for which extended > > > > > periods of samadhi is a supposed goal. > > > > > > > > You'll be interested in knowing then that current TM promotional > > > > materials are associating TM style "gaps" in the thoughts to be > > > > "samadhi". Both tm.org and numerous other "we just love TM" sites/ > > > > blogs are popping up all over, trying to claim the superiority of > > > > their magical thought-free samadhi. Since samadhi was re-discovered > > > > in Buddhist yogis a couple of years ago by respected researchers, TM > > > > pushers have been frantically trying to get people to believe that > > > > they're still the bestest. We have the research, honest! > > > > > > > > Unfortunately for them the only researchers that are buying it are > > > > the TB's and the hoodwinked converts. > > > > > > > > > >
