--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu" <yifuxero@...> wrote: > > thx, that's not a proof. You're saying we exist since we exist. But you > haven't proven the first "exist".
The problem with these types of discussions is that they require the people having the discussion to agree on how to define the concepts they are using e.g. what does "proof" mean?Assuming they can agree on how to define the concepts they are using,then you have to ask what relationship these concepts have,if any, to reality or truth.It seems to me that discussions involving abstract concepts are more about how people want to represent reality than reality itself.IMHO Reality or Truth is fundamentally unknowable.Consequently a discussion about the self or the absence of self really is just an attempt to express something that is inexpressible i.e what the self/non-self IS. OTOH maybe everything I just said above is just another example of what I just said above :).