Nope: first, on an ultimate Absolute level, there is no Soul. I'm a Buddhist philosophically. What makes the "me" is a bunch of non-local components without a centered "I". Conventional individuality is a conglomeration of components, tendencies, and unfulfilled desires that can be located (conventionally) in a set of bodies. For example, if SSRS were carrying a GPS connected to the internet, we could say, "yes, he's located at a certain latitude and longitude". However, as to an "I" at the center of one's consciousness, this is delusional and nonlocal. ... Babaji...I'm (and others); are just telling you the "story" on what various TMO TB's believe, staring from the top -> down with MMY and Jerry. Indeed, this dogma says that "one" (a set of subtle bodies or what some call "the Soul") does indeed go out of existence, relatively speaking. In your discourse below, you're using the term "Soul" to denote an individual, finite exitence, conventionally speaking. E.g. MMY vs Ramana are conventional personalities, on a relative level. The teachings of the TMO for the most part (apart from a few cherry picked statements); point to non-existence of such relative existences among those in CC or higher. ... Again, this is TMO crap. Why believe it? Choose your own path among many options. What's your choice?...whatever..fine with me. MMY is dead. His Holiness Bevan is a nutcase. Don't believe what he says. .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <babajii_99@...> wrote: > > 'And, if indeed Guru Dev was enlightened, how could he speak to Satyanand > after his death if he had gone out of existence?" > > (snip) > You don't go 'out of existence' when you die, instead you continue to exist, > on a soul level, without the need to incarnate into the physical again... > That's the whole point...most souls, don't know their 'soul nature' until > they die, and most because of their fear of death, do not have a clear > understanding or experience of their soul in live, and in death... > > The point about 'Enlightenment' is that it is defined by Guru Dev, as 'Soul > Realization'...so when you become soul realized in life, then in death, you > are still soul realized... > > Since the soul is the very basis of existence itself, and because the soul > comes from the Divine, then there has never been a time when the soul did not > exist, and will never be a time when the soul won't exist... > > So, saying that one loses his/her existence when one dies in Enlightenment, > misses the whole point of what enlightenment is... > > r. >
