On Jul 27, 2011, at 1:12 PM, turquoiseb wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 12:16 PM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > But she didn't spend nearly as much time with M as with R. > > > > And, of course, two others who "saw" him fly and disappear. > > > > > > You can find thousands of people who saw that. > > > > And do you hold it was actual seeing of physical events or > > images he was able to fill people's minds with? > > I honestly can't say. I know that I experienced these > things, not just once or twice but on a weekly or monthly > basis for 14 years. So did hundreds of people in the same > room or on desert trips. But as far as I know there were > no video cameras present, so I really don't know whether > they would record what I and others saw. > Thank you for your honesty.
> > > > Of course we know how he spiraled out of here. > > > > > > Sad. The guy had so much potential, and pissed it away. > > > > Yeah, glad his main squeeze didn't go with him. Ending > > your life seems to be more prevalent in the tantric Buddhist > > traditions, though TM has those who sacrificed themselves > > in that way. > > By now you may have read my followup post. One of the > reasons I am considered a bit of a heretic by Rama TBs > is that I attribute his suicide not only to hubris but > to a drug called Valium. As far as I can tell, both from > personal observation and from first-hand accounts from > people who were closer to him than I was, he was pre- > scribed the drug as a muscle relaxant to help him get > over a sports injury. But he seemed to like its effects, > and got heavily addicted. I certainly saw its debilitating > effects in the last years I was around him. Anyway, on the > label of every jar of Valium, in BIG LETTERS, are words > to the effect of "DO NOT ATTEMPT TO STOP TAKING > THIS DRUG QUICKLY, BY GOING 'COLD TURKEY.' > ONE OF THE BIGGEST RISKS IN DOING THIS IS > THE DANGER OF SUICIDAL THOUGHTS OR ACTUAL > SUICIDE." So what does Mr. I-can-handle-it do? He tried > to stop taking it overnight, cold turkey. Four days later > he was dead, a suicide. Just sayin'. > And thanks for this info, I didn't know. > > You probably knew of my friend, I won't mention her name here. > > Rama used to tell certain groups that she was his best student. > > Her initials may have been LL. If so, she is one of the > TB Rama students who would probably cross the street > rather than encounter me. :-) > > > > > And, of course, that's another thing we loved so much about > > > > being with M, how much and how warmly he and we all laughed > > > > together. > > > > > > In the early years. I left when laughter started > > > to be actually frowned upon. > > > > laughter stopped in M's presence? When was that? > > Not so much in his presence. It was still permitted to > laugh at his joke and plays on words. But it began to > be frowned upon at TM centers, and at National, where > I worked for the last year or so of my TM period. > Yes, that's what I would have thought. m >
